So! the rose is admired so much, even by none gardeners. The mere mention of roses, makes me sit up and all senses at the ready. I've grown roses for the past 50-60 yrs. Please share your thoughts etc. When you look at a rose. What do you really see? I lost my beloved wife Valerie in 2010 after 49 yrs of marriage. My thoughts and feelings of the rose, are in some way linked to the verse. Do not stand at my grave and weep. Please read the verse and perhaps this thread will grow.