Why is Miracle Grow junk?


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Tomorite likes to kid on it's organic with its "added seaweed," but it isn't, it's petro-gro; if it was organic, Levington would have it all over the bottle.

It was introduced in the sixties, when more Brits grew tomatoes in gro-bags, which people put on their gardens after the tomatoes had finished, giving the compost 6 months to recover.
It's not in the same class as Miracle-Gro, but it's far from organic, as is growmore.

The Osmocote Pro, I've never seen before, but the NPK numbers shout armaments.
Just had a quick look at the makers, ICL, and it's as bad as Miracle-Gro.

Blood, fish & bone is organic, fish meal, fish bone, & afaik fish blood, is my favoured bought fertiliser (I now mostly grow and forage my fertiliser, comfrey & seaweed)
The fish bonemeal supplies a little nitrogen and a good, but not harmful, dose of long-lasting phosphate; the fish blood supplies good levels of nitrogen, & the fishmeal supplies a decent level of potash.
It's only drawback is that it can attract predatory animals, who smell it & burrow to look for dead animals.
Here in the US if one wants to advertise a product as organic it has to meet a LOT of requirements and once these requirements are met one is authorized to use the OMRI label on the product. Meeting all of these requirements is very expensive to say the least. There are many products here that are mostly organic. One product like this is Medina Liquid Plant Food. It is totally organic except it has manufactured urea instead of natural. That Tomorite product reminded me of this. Here in the US a product that has such low NPK numbers (4-3-8) as the Tomorite is one of these products that is almost all natural or organic. All chemical fertilizers here have high NPK numbers simply because of the Cation Exchange Capacity of the product. This means that there must be much more NPK in the product than the plant can ever possibly uptake because the product cannot adhere to the soil and it quickly leaches away. As I said, I have never seen this product and only went by what is available here and thought the Tomorite might be similar.
 
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This post has degraded into an organic verses (what most of us are struggling with), no access to natural products . I will continue to use what I can as natural as I can find , but the truth is I will continue to use the non-organics as I have to use them. I thank all who have added input and I believe I am better for it.
 
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As I said before, a mix of both organic and synthetic works very well. Since the organics, especially plant based, tend to be low analysis it doesn't hurt to use a synthetic as well. A nice layer of compost on the surface adds any organic matter (mostly Carbon) that soil micro-organisms need and Miracle-Gro or the like can supply extra nutrients for increased plant growth. The cation exchange capacity includes the ability of both mineral and organic matter soil components to hold charged particles. Highly organic potting soils have no issues with the use of synthetic fertilizers.
As for authoritative sources of gardening information, here in California the UC Cooperative Extension Master Gardener program does an excellent job of training its volunteer staff. There may be some bias toward synthetics but they advise on organics too.
If Miracle-Gro didn't work or caused soil sterility they wouldn't still be around and wouldn't sell as much product as they do. Organic is not the be-all-end-all of good gardening and neither is synthetic. They can be used together to achieve a beautiful, productive garden full of life.
 
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I wonder? Has there been any studies done about insect damage of chemicals vs organic? My evidence is only anecdotal but I RARELY EVER have any kind of insect attacks. The only thing I ever have are caterpillars while my gardening friends here have to spray numerous times per season for everything from beetles to stink bugs. Could it be because I am organic? I wonder?
 
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Here in the US if one wants to advertise a product as organic it has to meet a LOT of requirements and once these requirements are met one is authorized to use the OMRI label on the product. Meeting all of these requirements is very expensive to say the least. There are many products here that are mostly organic. One product like this is Medina Liquid Plant Food. It is totally organic except it has manufactured urea instead of natural. That Tomorite product reminded me of this. Here in the US a product that has such low NPK numbers (4-3-8) as the Tomorite is one of these products that is almost all natural or organic. All chemical fertilizers here have high NPK numbers simply because of the Cation Exchange Capacity of the product. This means that there must be much more NPK in the product than the plant can ever possibly uptake because the product cannot adhere to the soil and it quickly leaches away. As I said, I have never seen this product and only went by what is available here and thought the Tomorite might be similar.
I don't think you're very far wrong; certainly with the much lower NPK numbers, you're not going to leave as much in salts behind, so it's not the worst, but most natural products have a wider range of nutrients so using again and again would demineralise the soil.
Bang goes your flavour!
 
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This post has degraded into an organic verses (what most of us are struggling with), no access to natural products . I will continue to use what I can as natural as I can find , but the truth is I will continue to use the non-organics as I have to use them. I thank all who have added input and I believe I am better for it.
The trick, if you are going down that road, is to use non-organics which are compatible with the organics, or you are wasting your time, effort & money with the organics. These are few & far between, but the trick is definitely to keep the NPK numbers down with the synthetics.
 
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This post has degraded into an organic verses (what most of us are struggling with), no access to natural products . I will continue to use what I can as natural as I can find , but the truth is I will continue to use the non-organics as I have to use them. I thank all who have added input and I believe I am better for it.
My last go with composted cow manure turned fiasco because of field herbicides in it. I note it has not been on the shelf for 2 seasons now, so it must have caused a big problem. It certainly takes time to compost it for sale. Yes sourcing is a big issue, even if you have a little land from which to recycle materials.
 
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It does have its uses, a friend who is into hydroponics says it is the best soluble fertilizer she has found.
 
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I wonder? Has there been any studies done about insect damage of chemicals vs organic? My evidence is only anecdotal but I RARELY EVER have any kind of insect attacks. The only thing I ever have are caterpillars while my gardening friends here have to spray numerous times per season for everything from beetles to stink bugs. Could it be because I am organic? I wonder?
When I first started my own little nursery, I asked the man from cropwatch to come and inspect my land - there were some plants showing insect damage.
After his inspection, he told me not to take ANY action at all. He advised that because the place was so full of insects, and no poison had ever been used there (at least for many years) everything was taking care of itself. He showed me the insects that were feeding on the ones which were causing damage. The plants recovered.
 
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This post has degraded into an organic verses (what most of us are struggling with), no access to natural products . I will continue to use what I can as natural as I can find , but the truth is I will continue to use the non-organics as I have to use them. I thank all who have added input and I believe I am better for it.
Amazon.com : Bocking 14 Root Cutting (25) : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : seaweed extract fertilizer for plants

Amazon.com : fish blood & bone fertilizer for plants

Each took seconds to find.
 
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It may have missed your attention, but just because we can easily find these products in the UK @headfullofbees it does NOT follow that our friends over the pond in America can get hold of them so easily.
As for @Mike Allen `s post - he was simply being friendly.
That's Amazon USA not Amazon UK, if you look on the top right of the logo, you will see "Old Glory".
I meant absolutely no unfriendliness to Mike Allen; merely pointing out that doing what one likes in one's garden is, of course, everyone's right, & I'm pretty sure he would agree with what I see as a fair limitation on that.
In any case, I meant absolutely no offence to Mike Allen, & would hope he hasn't taken any.
 
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:love: Oh good - it`s so very easy to read things wrongly sometimes. I didn`t realise that was Amazon USA - in that case, I hope that @Chuck has noticed, as he felt these were not available there. Blood, fish & bone is certainly worth having !!
I have noticed quite often that our American members often seem to be on a completely different page to us - it`s difficult to work out what`s what sometimes...... not only that they do seem to speak a different kind of English -they have faucets, diapers and trash :ROFLMAO:
Oh yes, and they grow different plants too.
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:love: Oh good - it`s so very easy to read things wrongly sometimes. I didn`t realise that was Amazon USA - in that case, I hope that @Chuck has noticed, as he felt these were not available there. Blood, fish & bone is certainly worth having !!
I have noticed quite often that our American members often seem to be on a completely different page to us - it`s difficult to work out what`s what sometimes...... not only that they do seem to speak a different kind of English -they have faucets, diapers and trash :ROFLMAO:
Oh yes, and they grow different plants too.
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I noticed it. However, the facts remain the same. I can get blood meal, I can get fish emulsion and I can get bone meal, but, I can't get all three in one package. I wish I could get Hoof and Horn but for some unfathomable reason no one makes it here. I have no idea what they do with all of the hundreds of thousands of hooves and horns that are available each month. Maybe this is where yours comes from.
 
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Texas and can't get cattle products?
The only thing you can do, Chuck, is buy your own steer, & what you don't eat, put in the garden!

Hmmnnnn...Chuck steaks.
 
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I wonder if it might be worth importing some of this stuff @Chuck. If there are so many products in short (or no) supply there it could be the start of a lucrative business.
 
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