Questions re: Compost Teas, etc..

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Oliver Buckle

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True that there might be some advantage in using compost tea for containers. That's a situation where you're not going to be forking piles of compost in.
Or watering 'til it runs out over the saucer. I reckon it is still a lot of faff for not much advantage comparatively. Find someone with a horse and they will be pleased to meet someone who takes manure away for free. I use buckets with holes in, the handle can be useful. I put in wood in the bottom, then some horse manure I work down into it, then the compost I am using for the plant. The wood saturates and holds moisture, that carries nutrients from the manure and rotting wood up with it. Keeping the bottom in a bit of water most of the time, refilling when the tray dries, keeps things stable for minimum effort.
 

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I don't know why anyone would think that making aerated compost tea is difficult or time consuming. I use my own finished compost and then add some worm casting to the mix. With two pails within two days I have at least 30l of finished tea that can be diluted up to a 10-1 mix which that means I can get up to 65 gallons to use as a soil drench or a foliar spray at higher dilution rates. I have a video of it working but it won't let me post it here. I do have an old pic using aquarium aerators but I now use a commercial grade air pump that generates 12 gallons per minute and really gets the water boiling.
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Here's a video of Nate helping out a farmer set up AACT to improved the quality of plants in his pasture that feeds his cattle. Just one example of how it can be used for farmers.

Also, Living Web Farms has an extended series of workshop videos on Healing Soils using AACT that are a great watch.
 

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FWIW, it takes an hour or so to dig half a cubic yard (100 gallons) of compost into a bed. No plumbing needed.

That's an interesting video. Thank you. I have no doubt that some farmers are trying out compost tea. My point was that it is not considered in any way a standard commercial strategy. Lots of plumbing involved. There are farmers around that use witchcraft as well, which is also not considered a standard commercial strategy. The video really doesn't present any compelling argument about WHY to use compost tea, and what the advantages are as opposed to just digging in compost. No evidence is presented in the video about resulting success in productivity or even environmental stewardship. Some words about making "biologically active soil". That's largely nonsense. Any decent soil is biologically active, especially with compost dug in.

Here are some learned strategies for making biologically active soil, and compost tea is never mentioned.
https://soilhealth.osu.edu/soil-health-management/biological-activity
 

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I can see the point on cattle pasture, you wouldn't want to dig that up. Horses for courses.
 

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No it doesn't say much about compost teas, but it says something about compost and manures. And reducing synthetic fertilizers/pesticide.


For increased soil biology, provide food, optimal conditions, and minimal disturbance.

Key Strategies​

  • Minimize erosion and disturbance with perennial crops or winter cover crops. Roots enhance microbial activity, maintain soil structure and provide additional organic material in the soil.
  • Increase biomass (carbon) by growing and incorporating a high biomass cover crop.
  • Monitor C:N ratio of inputs (24:1 is ideal)
  • Add nitrogen-rich organic matter (manure, finished compost)
  • Use legumes in your crop rotation to provide nitrogen.
  • Crop diversity will be reflected in your soil life. Complex crop rotations will also help with weed and pest control.
  • Reduce tillage using no-till planting or a perennial crop.
  • Reduce use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides
  • Keep pH at 6.2-6.5
  • Rhizobia inoculation or other microbiological products can increase microbial interactions, but are not a replacement for optimal biological conditions.

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No it doesn't say much about compost teas, but it says something about compost and manures. And reducing synthetic fertilizers/pesticide.

We're not talking here about organic gardening. We're talking about compost tea. No one here is arguing about the value of compost. The question is whether compost tea has value. My point was that the video offered here talks a lot about HOW to make compost tea available to a working farm, which is interesting, but not much about WHY. No question that compost and manure are important to kick up biologically active soil. The issue is whether you need to brew them in tea to do so. I don't believe you do.

I can see the point on cattle pasture, you wouldn't want to dig that up. Horses for courses.

No reason why you can't just spread compost out as mulch, if you don't want to do digging. Again, it will make it's own tea in situ, and add to the ground underneath. No plumbing required. Isn't that what you'd do with the vegetative remains after making the tea anyway?
 
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No reason why you can't just spread compost out as mulch, if you don't want to do digging. Again, it will make it's own tea in situ, and add to the ground underneath. No plumbing required. Isn't that what you'd do with the vegetative remains after making the tea anyway?
I'm no cattle farmer, but if I were I am not sure I would want my cattle on pasture spread with compost, tea, one rain and it's all in the ground.
 

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I'm no cattle farmer, but if I were I am not sure I would want my cattle on pasture spread with compost, tea, one rain and it's all in the ground.

Some would. See below. No plumbing required. BTW, manure spreaders are a standard ag tool. With tea, one rain and it's all in the ground. Next rain, it's all deeper in the ground. On and on. That's how leaching works.



https://thehorse.com/135657/fall-is-the-time-to-spread-compost/
 
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The first vid is about a hay field, not a pasture. The second was a pasture, but the sheep were in the pasture next door , fenced off. I am familiar with muck spreaders, round here they get used on pastures that are due a period of r&r before livestock go back on them, I can see it might be worth it if by using a tea a farmer could fertilize earlier and not need the gap when the ground is not grazed. This is the sort of decision and judgement that farmers make daily, and at least some of them are deciding it is worth the investment, I can only guess at their reasons, but they are professionals in a competitive, high capital industry, I have some respect for that.
 

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That's a little simplistic that you can't spread manure on a working pasture. This guy says it's EXACTLY the right thing to do. He overstates the value of manure as fertilizer a bit though, by saying it's a substitute for chemical fertilizer, but that's just the common myth that we've already covered here.


One reason one might decide to use compost tea on your pasture instead is if the manure isn't really thoroughly composted. If you dump poorly composted manure on your pasture, you could to be dumping loads of weed seeds. I respect that concern. But nutritionally, compost tea is inferior to compost, which is already a somewhat inferior fertilizer. That's because you're taking all the nutrients in the compost, dissolving them in water, and spraying them on in a highly leachable form. Chemical fertilization is often done this way as well, in that chemical ferts are often highly water soluble., but they are vastly more powerful nutritionally, so you can afford to lose a lot to leaching.

So if weed seeds are a risk, then just properly compost your manure before spreading. Manure is rich in nitrogen and will naturally compost at a high temperature, killing everything, including weed seeds. You can say, oh, I'm too lazy to properly compost. But I'll set up a big plumbing outfit to make tea. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

What is the problem with livestock out walking on a thin layer of manure? Before you muck out their stalls, that's exactly what they're doing.
 
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It depends where you are. Here in the land of Canucks our season is short.. composting isn't quick. Compost tea is one of a few ways to speed things up. Not only to get the plants happy before the frost hits in mid to late September but also to have the soil ready for the next season.

Luckily I have a reserve of compost ready.. always. But someone new to gardening and who hasn't been building their soil for years could definitely benefit from compost tea. It's fast and effective.
 

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Forgot to mention nematodes.. that is where the microscope comes in handy.
 

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...He overstates the value of manure as fertilizer a bit though, by saying it's a substitute for chemical fertilizer, but that's just the common myth that we've already covered here.
Overstates....hardly. Chemical fertilizers are not needed at all if properly composted manures and other organic matter is used.

Common myth... :eek: :eek: :eek:
 

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It depends where you are. Here in the land of Canucks our season is short.. composting isn't quick. Compost tea is one of a few ways to speed things up

That's interesting. How do you do compost tea if you can't make compost? If the vegetable matter isn't broken down by microorganisms, the plant-available nutrients aren't there.
 
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