An experiment in Hugelkulture in containers


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Has @ Marck ever even once showed us a picture of anything in his garden or of even a snapshot of his entire garden? I cannot recall any but I have seen many pictures of your garden and plants and I have posted quite a few of mine. Perhaps he will post a few just to let us actually know for sure that he knows even a modicum about actual gardening. We all know he knows a lot about university textbooks and plant ID apps though.
Nah, I'm too busy posting corrections on threads where you spread misinformation, Chuck.
Surely you must have noticed the many, many times that situation occurred.
 
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These comments from the wizard behind the curtain just keep getting more and more ridiculous and bizarre. My entire garden has had the benefit of alfalfa cover, field peas cover, elbon rye, various clovers, vetch, etc. etc. I rely on covers turned into the soil summer and winter as the primary source of nutrients and soil building. I never once claimed the wood as a source for N, LOL. What a completely absurd statement.

Just as Chuck has said many times, you have completely and utterly missed the point of this experiment. I will be most happy when and if you indeed live up to your promise of not commenting on this thread. Thank you.

p.s. if I could block you I would.


Such comments as :

1) Don't care. Won't care. Friday at 1:14 PM March 25

2) I won't even bother Friday at 8:03 PM March 25

3) I have to be careful I don't hurt myself face-palming when I read this thread. Saturday at 10:17 PM March 26

4) nobody will not know whether the treatment had any effect Saturday at 10:17 PM March 26

5) To od so with comprehension Saturday at 10:17 PM March 26

6) there is always rom for improvement Saturday at 10:56 PM March 26

7) Oh Please.. Monday at 3 pm March 28
Meadowlark, I've pointed out numerous serious errors in your experimental design. You should care about that.

That you don't care or try to make corrections, suggests either an inability to comprehend or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

What do you come back with? Typos. That's lame.

...but since you suddenly care so much about spelling, you might want to learn that there is no 'e' at the end of Hugelkultur.
I mean because you think you're such an expert about it and all...
 
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Nah, I'm too busy posting corrections on threads where you spread misinformation, Chuck.
Surely you must have noticed the many, many times that situation occurred.
I have made a few mistakes, very few, about vegetables. As I have said many times on this forum I do not grow anything except vegetables. And to be sure I have made the wrong diagnosis on a few insect problems. And as far as my plant ID's go don't I usually say "it looks like" or "could be" or "maybe" and not that it definitely is and really many times my guesses are wrong. You forgot to mention the times that I correctly ID a plant and this is without the help of any plant ID app. And don't try to tell me that all of this supposed "knowledge" you have is from something you actually know or did. EVERYTHING you know comes from a classroom or textbook. You try to make everything The Definitive Answer, when in reality we all have no way of knowing for sure if you are correct or not. But you---you never make a mistake. At least you never admit it. Being an academic such as yourself and ballyhooing two people who have well over 100 years combined experience dealing with everything even remotely acquainted to vegetable gardening, you have the gall to dictate to us what you have learned in books in the many years you have been in academia. There is an old saying here in Texas-- "A man who ain't never made a mistake ain't never done a damn thing". Many, if not most of us wish you would make Sunflower Taxonomy and Plant Radiation your preferred occupation instead of trying but failing to show us all just how smart you are.
 
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Has @ Marck ever even once showed us a picture of anything in his garden or of even a snapshot of his entire garden? I cannot recall any but I have seen many pictures of your garden and plants and I have posted quite a few of mine. Perhaps he will post a few just to let us actually know for sure that he knows even a modicum about actual gardening. We all know he knows a lot about university textbooks and plant ID apps though.
I have seen him post pictures he copied and pasted from the internet...but never, not once something from his own garden. Also, I've never seen any reference for those copied and pasted pictures but it is easy to find multiple sites with the identical pictures. He has never posted anything original to my knowledge.

Hopefully we can get back to the topic which has really been getting interesting.
 
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Of course, I often link to photos available on the Internet to illustrate the topic being discussed.
The point is to help facilitate knowledge and understanding. You seem to have the opposite goal in mind.

You seen, unlike both of you, I am staying on the topic of the thread, which Is providing discussion and critique about this poorly designed and misleading experiment that you've been hyping.
So don't worry about my garden, or what books I read, or anything else that is off-topic.

Meadowlark, I've pointed out numerous serious errors in your experimental design. You should care about that.

That you don't care or try to make corrections, suggests either an inability to comprehend or a deliberate attempt to mislead.
This is from Post #62. That was the the last post directed at you, Meadowlark. You conveniently seemed to ignore this one.
 

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To DM, skinyea, Chuck and others interested in this thread,

I created an Okra tub per skinyea's information in just a few minutes. I added some side vents to it as suggested by DM at the soil line. Soil will be added later. Its still too cold for okra planting here but in another two weeks or so, I will add the garden soil same as other okra to be planted in my garden.

By the way, note the alfalfa sprigs which are apparently verboten according to the wizard behind the curtain, LOL.

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I only care that you, wizard behind the curtain, refrain on posting any comments on this thread as you once promised.

Let me be clear, I don't want them, I don't want to read them, and most of all I will ignore them except for the personal attacks and bizarre comments list I'm keeping.

Now, let's please stay on the experiment.
 
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To DM, skinyea, Chuck and others interested in this thread,

I created an Okra tub per skinyea's information in just a few minutes. I added some side vents to it as suggested by DM at the soil line. Soil will be added later. Its still too cold for okra planting here but in another two weeks or so, I will add the garden soil same as other okra to be planted in my garden.

By the way, note the alfalfa sprigs which are apparently verboten according to the wizard behind the curtain, LOL.
Don't misquote me, Meadowlark. I already had to show you up on the Sunn Hemp thread because of that.

We both know that Alfalfa is going to be the secret to your ..."success". (Now that deserves an LOL).
 
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you can 100% grow okra in containers. have done so many years. my neighbor has done this in containers using the Hugel kultur method.
after looking at Meadowlarks pics, I can guarantee this will work.

Marck you clearly know alot about planting but maybe sit this one out?
 

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you can 100% grow okra in containers. have done so many years. my neighbor has done this in containers using the Hugel kultur method.
after looking at Meadowlarks pics, I can guarantee this will work.

Marck you clearly know alot about planting but maybe sit this one out?
Skinyea,

Looking at the tub, how many plants do you think it would support?
 
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you clearly know alot about planting but maybe sit this one out?
No, it's my turn. After all, I answered your question about hypothetical "successful" people.
You weren't really talking about Meadowlark, were you? No, you couldn't have been.

So, what do you think about people who get some common-place advice on-line and then proceed to blindly and defensively hero-worship the advice giver, regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary?

Speaking of success, I'm sure you could be successful at growing vegetables in containers, most people can, ...but maybe not if you insist on only getting information from Meadowlark or Chuck.
 
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No, it's my turn. After all, I answered your question about hypothetical "successful" people.
You weren't really talking about Meadowlark, were you? No, you couldn't have been.

So, what do you think about people who get some common-place advice on-line and then proceed to blindly and defensively hero-worship the advice giver, regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary?

Speaking of success, I'm sure you could be successful at growing vegetables in containers, most people can, ...but maybe not if you insist on only getting information from Meadowlark or Chuck.

I was not talking about Meadowlark. although I will probably be next year.
I was talking about the last several hundred years of people that have tried this and has been successful
I have a neighbor that is a bit older than me that has practiced this method for 20+ years
He went to this method as a way to continue harvesting veggies the way he wants to at his age without asking for more of my help
He has done this in containers and in raised beds for 20+ years. he has had success every year.
I have been Gardening for about 10 years as an adult. Meadowlark,Chuck and Durgan have been a huge part of my success. I tend to listen to them and their ideas.
those 3 have not given me any advise that has made my vegetable growth any worse.

if you do not believe in this thread why not just sit this one out and contribute to other threads? your knowledge can me used to help others elsewhere
 
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I have seen him post pictures he copied and pasted from the internet...but never, not once something from his own garden. Also, I've never seen any reference for those copied and pasted pictures but it is easy to find multiple sites with the identical pictures. He has never posted anything original to my knowledge.

Hopefully we can get back to the topic which has really been getting interesting.
@Marck can post some pictures. And as you know, pictures are worth a thousand words. I am just not sure "dodo" or any other random words would be meaningful. Did you know I stalked him? I can post some websites and so forth on his behalf without his Permission. PhD level stuff. Sunflowers and deep details nobody gives an owl packet about. Would it improve our graciousness? Maybe not. But you need to respect his academic lineage because if you pause for a coffee and reflect, its just communications about different points of interest. This boy has a mind you best enjoy because I doubt you ever met its equal unless you are blessed with support from well intentioned angels.

Personally I am glad he is reserved. It is a hard balance, to communicate on a familial website in a jovial way at a high academic level without sucking all the oxygen out of the room. I give him a B+ so far. Remember, @Marck is a young person relatively to me at 56 and some of you at other experience levels.

That is all.
 
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Maybe you are correct about his intellect but sometimes knowledge is a two edged sword. Knowledge loses a lot of its value when there is no experience to reinforce it. And in my mind he has absolutely no experience whatsoever. At least not in the gardening community. I saw the Twitter account of his about Sunflower Taxonomy and something about Plant Radiation. Made absolutely no sense to me but what can I say? I am just and old Texas Redneck who barely got out of high school.
 
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Good Will Hunting? OK. Robin Williams on the Bench talking experience? Ok. Still, I like his efforts. I know you are concerned about posts relative to plants but not me. Its only the romantic posts that ever matter to me, because try as he might -Sir Elton John could only adopt a child from some God forsaken agency. I am still traumatized from watching this "Rocketman" movie with the ladies last night. @Marck are you a pollinator? 74 btw
 

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Update:

In order to gain more data for this feasibility study, I'm adding another three tubs and rearranging in the garden bringing the current configuration to:

Tub 1: celebrity tomato
Tub 2: jalapeno pepper
Tub 3: green Bell pepper
Tub 4: butter nut squash
Tub 5: black beauty egg plant
Tub 6: okra

The data will be collected in an Excel spreadsheet and summarized as follows:
PlantHPGSPPR
Tub 1 celebrity tomato
5​
10​
0.5​
Tub 2 jap pepper
#DIV/0!​
Tub 3 Green Bell
#DIV/0!​
Tub 4 butter nut squash
#DIV/0!​
Tub 5 BB Egg Plant
#DIV/0!​
Tub 6 okra
#DIV/0!​
Composite
5​
10​
0.5​

HP = Hugelkulture Productivity, lbs
GSP = Garden Soil Productivity, lbs
PR = Productivity Ratio

The PR is derived by dividing the HP/GSP with a target of at least .5 for feasibility.


Data collected will include 1) Hugelkultur productivity in pounds, number, and date of harvest for each tub, 2) Garden soil production in pounds, number, and date of harvest for each garden control plant.

Documentation photos will be taken of all data collection.
 
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Update:

In order to gain more data for this feasibility study, I'm adding another three tubs and rearranging in the garden bringing the current configuration to:

Tub 1: celebrity tomato
Tub 2: jalapeno pepper
Tub 3: green Bell pepper
Tub 4: butter nut squash
Tub 5: black beauty egg plant
Tub 6: okra

The data will be collected in an Excel spreadsheet and summarized as follows:
PlantHPGSPPR
Tub 1 celebrity tomato
5​
10​
0.5​
Tub 2 jap pepper
#DIV/0!​
Tub 3 Green Bell
#DIV/0!​
Tub 4 butter nut squash
#DIV/0!​
Tub 5 BB Egg Plant
#DIV/0!​
Tub 6 okra
#DIV/0!​
Composite
5​
10​
0.5​

HP = Hugelkulture Productivity, lbs
GSP = Garden Soil Productivity, lbs
PR = Productivity Ratio

The PR is derived by dividing the HP/GSP with a target of at least .5 for feasibility.


Data collected will include 1) Hugelkultur productivity in pounds, number, and date of harvest for each tub, 2) Garden soil production in pounds, number, and date of harvest for each garden control plant.

Documentation photos will be taken of all data collection.
I am of the age and opinion that my back will make my choices for me but do have fun with it and side drains rock!
 
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Update: Month one

PlantStatus/Comments
Tub 1: celebrity tomato


Both the HK and control plants are going great. Lots of blooms on both. Very strong growth on both.
Tub 2: jalapeno pepper


Slight edge in growth to the control plant but both are setting fruit now.
Tub 3: green bell pepper


Slight edge to the HK plant as winds have hit it less than the control plant, but both are flowering
Tub 4: butter nut squash


Excellent growth in the HK plant and maybe some wind resistance affecting the control plant
Tub 5: black beauty egg plant

Insect damage on the control plant fairly heavy. Not so on the HK plant. Insect spray w/spinosad
Tub 6: okratoo many cold nights for germination. Will try again next week

Photos of any/all available upon request.
 

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