Trying again armed with supplements still getting BER?


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Perhaps you should consider changing your watering regime?
You should not have to use that much ES. to get what you need for tomatoes.
Irregular watering can also prevent the uptake of calcium; in fact it's overwhelmingly the major cause of BER in the uk.
When you water too much at one go, then leave to dry until wilted, you are asking for BER.
Water half as much, twice as often.
It works great in my soil. This year I didn't have to water but twice. Production was up a little too, a tad over 15 lbs per plant. Not a single case of BER. Used about 6 handfuls of ES per plant during the entire season. The only watering issue that affects my plants is cracking from too much water for too long a period.
 
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Guess I can't win I won't plant in the ground because of all the stuff they use trying to kill the weeds on the back half of the property, why they don't just rip it up and plant grass? They own a equipment rental company that has everything I think I need to o move lol
I have seen insulated planters, and I have see the use of heat mats to moderate cold. Usually mats are for seed starting but they work for a variety of issues as well as cat beds. So even if you have nutrients in the mix, the plant has to take them in and tomato seems to fuss below 50f, which means you treat it like a tropical houseplant basically. This is not the only issue I suspect, but lack heat contributes to the BER by reducing chemical transactions inside the plant as well as overall growth slowdown. The other contributor may well be rain diluting what you have given it. The smaller the pot the easier this is to occur. Highly soluble fertilizer is easy to apply but is best for quick fixes where slow and steady release organics are best overall for long term. Another issue is math. When messing about with water soluble or hard fertilizers the weight and volume become relative to the weight and volume of the plant. It is easiest to use metric grams and milliliters because you can easily convert them. The idea is that elephants like peanuts, but do not feed one peanut per day and wonder about the health of your elephant.
 
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Since I started using Calcium Carbonate, I haven't had BER. When planting, I put 1 TBsp of food grade calcium carbonate in the hole for each plant & mix it in. In a few weeks, I use 2 TBsp of Epsom salts mixed in 1 gal. of water to water the plants. Works for me...
 
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It works great in my soil. This year I didn't have to water but twice. Production was up a little too, a tad over 15 lbs per plant. Not a single case of BER. Used about 6 handfuls of ES per plant during the entire season. The only watering issue that affects my plants is cracking from too much water for too long a period.
"I cannot grow any tomatoes except cherry varieties without losing all of them to BER. "
 
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"I cannot grow any tomatoes except cherry varieties without losing all of them to BER. "
Something is going on that we can't figure out? I'm not really a newbie by any means I have successfully grown tomatoes of various types since the 80s I have only had this issue where I currently live I'm not sure why we have lots of farming around me many are Mennonite/Amish farms. I'm suspicious of the well water due to fracking in the area, we also have a NG pumping station a few hundred yards away it's massive it feeds NYC, also the landlord doesn't take care of the back half of the property as they should they let weeds get out of control then spray it with a bright green liquid they won't say what it is? And we have a natural spring that flows through the weeds and down the street to man made pond the volenter fire department uses what ever they spray on the weeds gets into the pond and it quickly goes from a Greenish yellow water to brown when all the lilly pads die off, I don't know where you live? But something in my environment is hurting my plants? I am looking hard for another place to rent or buy, 2 years In a row it can't be a mistake on my part. Good luck with yours when a garden fails it can be hard.
 
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Amend your soil with Blooming Minerals by Wallace and Kelp Meal.Go to Lowes and get a White food grade hose and a RV hose water filter.Attach the hose filter to the white hose on the end that attaches to your water spicket.Filter your water into 5 gallon buckets according to the directions of the RV filter.Give each plant a gallon of filtered water at the base slowly every 4 days.And hope for RAIN.
 

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Greenway Biotech Tomato Fertilizer 4-18-38 according to the directions...One more thing.Introduce worms to your soil.Go to your local fish bait shop and buy a dozen nightcrawlers and a large package of red worms.Go to the middle of your garden and dig 2 holes a foot deep.Chop up the dirt that came out of the hole so it is loose.Put half the dirt in,And dump the worms in.Cover lightly with rest of the soil.Super good to help airate the soil and adds natural fertilizer from their castings.​

 
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Not Really. Its misleading actually. Worms cannot tell the difference between a water mold and BER
Its not their fault they were misinformed, these things happen, sometimes we get the wrong information on a topic, it happens. Even so the topic has peeked my curiosity enough to consider my own research.
 
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You need to be aware that soils in parts of the country have different qualities and some areas benefit from epsom salts but overall much of the time there can be adverse effects from using them. Many soils already have adequate magnesium and adding more actually encourages BER as it blocks the absorption of calcium. The only way to know for sure is to do a soil test. So yea it may work for Chuck but in other parts of the country it's a bad thing to use. https://tomatogeek.com/epsom-salt-tomatoes/
 
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BER is caused by low calcium. If you have lots of rain it will wash calcium away. It is best to give plants calcium once a month all summer. Tomatoes, melons, peppers, cucumbers, squash, all have BER with low calcium. We had 37" of rain this year Jan to May.
 
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No wonder it isn't working. I put a minimum of 2 handfuls each time I apply it. It is probably more than 1/2 cup each time and I apply it normally 3 times per season. Once at planting, once at bloom stage and once during fruit growth.
Chuck you need to realize that for most of the country and Canada Epsom salts are not good to use because there is no shortage of magnesium in the soils. In your case yes but to tell people to use them when you have no idea of their soil properties is a mistake. In fact excess magnesium actually blocks the absorption of calcium so adding epsom salts to normal soils actually makes BER worse.
 
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BER is caused by low calcium. If you have lots of rain it will wash calcium away. It is best to give plants calcium once a month all summer. Tomatoes, melons, peppers, cucumbers, squash, all have BER with low calcium. We had 37" of rain this year Jan to May.
Actually to be more accurate it's caused by the poor absorption of calcium from the soil. There can be plenty of calcium in the soil but other factors can block it being absorbed.
 
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Actually to be more accurate it's caused by the poor absorption of calcium from the soil. There can be plenty of calcium in the soil but other factors can block it being absorbed.
I agree totally with this statement. Referring to your post #36 Magnesium toxicity is very uncommon in Canada or anywhere else. Magnesium toxicity also limits plant uptake of phosphorous, potassium, iron and manganese. What is much more common is phosphorous toxicity which locks up calcium and magnesium. The OP said nothing about other nutrient deficiencies so it would seem very unlikely that the use of epsom salts was or is any way harmful.
 
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I agree totally with this statement. Referring to your post #36 Magnesium toxicity is very uncommon in Canada or anywhere else. Magnesium toxicity also limits plant uptake of phosphorous, potassium, iron and manganese. What is much more common is phosphorous toxicity which locks up calcium and magnesium. The OP said nothing about other nutrient deficiencies so it would seem very unlikely that the use of epsom salts was or is any way harmful.
I still think you are missing the point. If there are no deficiencies in the soil then there is no need for epsom salts as they can interfere with the absorption of calcium and make BER worse. Did you not read the link I posted, there are many similar articles.
 
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I still think you are missing the point. If there are no deficiencies in the soil then there is no need for epsom salts as they can interfere with the absorption of calcium and make BER worse. Did you not read the link I posted, there are many similar articles.
This is where you and I disagree. Probably it is because we have totally different soils. And I don't believe it is a soil Ph difference, it is something else. Somehow epsom salts changes the ability of a plant to uptake blocked calcium. I can't explain it but it works in both acidic and alkaline soils. The only time I have seen it not work is in some, not all, clay soils but I have never seen the use of epsom salts actually harm a plant when used in moderation. I just now measured a handful of epsom salts by reaching into the bag and closing my hand around the salts. It measured about 1/8 of a cup. So, I use about 3/4 cup during the entire season per plant. Epsom salts does not build up in soil. I am not a scientist, just a long time gardener and my only proof is what I see and what I see is total eradication of BER. I wished I had a scientific answer and I agree with you that every gardener who has issues should get a good comprehensive soil test from a reputable soil lab.
 

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