Cyclospora Raises Questions about Fertilizers

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You know those videos that teach gardening to kids, because they are clueless where their food comes from. It seems like Katie Pavlich needs a little education on gardening.

She is totally ignorant in the use of Humanure, but the Doctor didn't do a good job of educating her. I did leave him a direct comment under his comment on the YT page.

But actually there are two separate issues here, one is Humanure and the other is just plain human shit (as well as other shit) getting on food.



 

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Its a long article but worth reading to help understand whats happening.
 

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...But actually there are two separate issues here, one is Humanure and the other is just plain human shit (as well as other shit) getting on food.
Not to me...my biggest issue with that video is the full-throated rejection of eating raw veggies. I eat raw veggies almost every day...and almost always from my garden. Never a problem, ever.

Raw veggies are highly nutritious compared to cooked. Our ancestorial heritage includes raw veggies. Survival depended on it. We are made for eating raw veggies. To abandon that is great folly.

The dependence our cultures have on someone else growing their veggies is a path to destruction.

I never have nor never will use any human waste on veggies. Never. That includes urine which I often see here folks recommending it for gardens. Not me, not my gardens.

As synthetic fertilizers rise in costs, the use of humanure will be more and more prevalent. The unsuspecting, trusting consumer will never know likely the prevalence of this practice.

Rejecting raw veggies is another nail literally in the coffin.

Grow your own folks and eat 'em raw...my 2 cents.
 

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I never have nor never will use any human waste on veggies. Never. That includes urine which I often see here folks recommending it for gardens. Not me, not my gardens.

As synthetic fertilizers rise in costs, the use of humanure will be more and more prevalent. The unsuspecting, trusting consumer will never know likely the prevalence of this practice.
I've also never used any source of humanure -- I don't even use any manure/fertilizer source other than what is left there by soil organisms -- I depend on the soil life to fertilize my plants.

However, what I was struck by is that the interviewer was completely gobsmacked by the practice of using humanure, which she seemed to think only happened in other countries -- especially 3rd world countries.

Hasn't she heard of all the stories of land, here in the US being totally destroyed by the use of biosolids, which is just a euphemistically way of saying humanure. Personally, I would never use that, because of my concern over contamination from things like heavy metals, etc., which I'd be much more concerned about than simple human crap.

But another concern I had is that there are people that use composting toilets, which is what I consider the purest form of humanure.

That should be separated from talk of using industrial biosolids and the example in the video of tapping into sewage lines or leaking septic tanks.
 

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I've also never used any source of humanure -- I don't even use any manure/fertilizer source other than what is left there by soil organisms -- I depend on the soil life to fertilize my plants.
Hmm. I thought you were a big proponent of integrating animals into "regenerative agriculture". Mistaken identity.
 

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Hmm. I thought you were a big proponent of integrating animals into "regenerative agriculture". Mistaken identity.
Yes, I'm a big proponent of integrating animals into agriculture for the purpose of regenerating land -- it is one of the six principles of Regenerative Agriculture.

And actually I do allow integration of animals in my yard, which I treat my entire yard as my "garden", such as soil organisms which do "manure" my yard with their waste and dead bodies -- I also do this by adding tons of organic matter, locally sourced (not purchased) and never using any form of herb/pesticides. And I don't use fertilizers, so that plants must form a strong symbiosis with the soil life.

However, I can't integrate animals that were once native to this area, because I live only about a mile from the ocean and as with so many areas near the ocean, it's very heavily populated, so there are no herbivores I need to worry about. And I will not artificially spread manure from cows and such -- although I am thinking about integrating chickens and/or rabbits.

When I first started converting my yard I made the mistake of thinking I would just let nature maintain the environment, but at the end of the year I had a mess of plants that took over my yard, drowning out most of the other plants, these aggressive plants were actually native, not invasive. Furthermore, those plants depleted my soils and reversed all the mulching I did, which started creating very good looking soil -- but at the end of the year the soil started looking gray and lifeless sand again, due to the over grown conditions which were basically a monoculture.

My most aggressive plant was the Bidens alba (AKA: shepherd's needles, beggarticks, Spanish needles, etc. ). Every thing I've read about this plant says it gets to a height of about 3-5 feet. No, let it go in full sun and it gets up to 7 ft tall, then falls to the ground and the stem sprouts roots like a tomato plant and branches go everywhere.

At first I thought, nature screwed me, but after a lot of studying I realized that my yard is NOT natural. And it's not natural, because we have removed much of the animals that evolved with the plant life in this area.

So nowadays I do a lot of chop-and-drop, which is basically what herbivores would do, but they do many other things I can not do, but at least I'm allowing other plants (biodiversity) to flourish and adding to organic matter on the ground, I'm also preventing the overgrown monoculture from sucking up all the soil nutrients and moisture.


Six Principles of Regenerative Agriculture

Minimize Soil Disturbance:
Avoid heavy tillage and excessive chemical use. This protects the soil's natural structure and prevents the disruption of beneficial microbes.

Keep the Soil Covered: Protect topsoil from wind, rain, and extreme temperatures by using plant residues and cover crops. This reduces erosion and stops the soil from drying out.

Maintain Living Roots: Keep living plants in the ground year-round to feed soil microbes and drive dynamic biological processes.

Maximize Biodiversity: Grow a wide variety of plants and rotate crops regularly. This breaks pest cycles, improves nutrient availability, and builds long-term resilience.

Integrate Livestock: Introduce managed grazing to crop or pasture systems. Animals help naturally cycle nutrients while their hooves break up the soil and trample plant matter into fertilizer.

Understand Context: Tailor your farming practices to your specific local climate, geography, and community needs rather than relying on a "one-size-fits-all" approach.
 
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Now maybe the tide is turning...notice end of article notes about consumers turning to local produce....

 

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Now maybe the tide is turning...notice end of article notes about consumers turning to local produce....

I dont think the numbers have changed much.
You cant get a lot of variety shopping at local farm stands. Up north I cant buy bananas or avocados grown locally.
Then add the marketing of how healthy some foods are drives people to shop at big box stores. Or add all the people moving to new regions who still want the food they ate where they came from.
Even our local farm stands sell imported foods that are out of season locally.

These outbreaks happen now and then but nothing changes.
 

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I would never use human excrement, too many infective possibilities. Animal manure needs to be well rotted, there are things like flukes that cross species, or even have different stages of their lifecycle in different species, but they won't survive a couple of years in a manure heap.
 

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Shouldn't surprise anyone. Grow your own or buy local...and eat raw veggies safely again.
 

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Or wash it properly. When I was a kid we used to get wild watercress, it would go in a bucket of water first and all the small animals like hydra, daphne and snails would come out, those would go in the cold aquarium for the fish. Then it would go in well salted water overnight to kill the more microscopic stuff.
It was all a bit of a faff, but it is worth knowing, the plastic bag of washed salad may not be there one day.
 

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