Plants Distinguish Natural Soil Nitrogen from Synthetic Nitrogen

[redback]

Done some reading on lactobacillus. Interesting!! First I've heard of it.

Look up an Australian called -
The weedy garden- 'how to make soil bacteria' - and an Indian -
Lifeworks global - 'How to make lab serum'.
on YouTube.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

Done some reading on lactobacillus. Interesting!! First I've heard of it.

One of the first books I had, inherited from my brother, was the story of how Mickey the microbe saved a little boy from the bad bacteria in his milk by turning it sour so he wouldn't drink it
Comes of having a biologist for a dad.

 

[redback]

You do get edible cottage cheese as a biproduct.

 

[oneeye]

I'm organic outdoors and have always been. However, I use synthetic nutrients indoors with super results too. There's some basic misinformation when it comes to plant nutrition. Heres a video that may help.

 

[oneeye]

Before nitrogen can be available to the plant, the plant has to follow a nutrient sequence. If the sequence is broken or incomplete the plant can't utilize nutrients correctly. The nutrient sequence starts with boron and ends with potassium (K) and goes through18 essential nutrients in sequence to grow and survive:

Let me give you an example.

Optimal calcium levels can enhance the uptake and assimilation of nitrogen, as calcium can influence the activity of enzymes related to nitrogen metabolism. So if the soil lacks calcium, nitrogen, and magnesium will be less available. It doesn't matter how much nitrogen and magnesium is there.

Calcium (Ca2+) signaling regulates magnesium (Mg2+) homeostasis in plants. This process helps plants maintain the right balance of these two divalent cations, which are essential for plant growth. Google

The first thing most people do when they get lawn problems is put fertilizer on it. I have worked with people who insisted that I put fertilizer on their yards every year without fail. When I first started working with them they had already been fertilizing every year for many years before I got the job. One of the things I noticed after many years is that their yards suffered from TARR fungus and many other problems. When I sent the soil to the lab it always came back with a recommendation to "Not Ferilize" for the next 5 years. Their yards made me look bad because of the toxic state they were in. If the nutrient sequence is broken it doesn't matter how much fertilizer you use it's not going to green up.

 

[YumYum]

Before nitrogen can be available to the plant, the plant has to follow a nutrient sequence. If the sequence is broken or incomplete the plant can't utilize nutrients correctly. The nutrient sequence starts with boron and ends with potassium (K) and goes through18 essential nutrients in sequence to grow and survive:

Let me give you an example.

Optimal calcium levels can enhance the uptake and assimilation of nitrogen, as calcium can influence the activity of enzymes related to nitrogen metabolism. So if the soil lacks calcium, nitrogen, and magnesium will be less available.

Calcium (Ca2+) signaling regulates magnesium (Mg2+) homeostasis in plants. This process helps plants maintain the right balance of these two divalent cations, which are essential for plant growth. Google

Never heard of this but always kind of wondered what reguluated the amount, if anything. What is this order of uptake? So if it starts with boron and there is none, nothing else gets uptaken?

 

[redback]

The first thing most people do when they get lawn problems is put fertilizer on it.

I haven't heard of nutrient sequence either. Sounds like a breakdown associated with overuse of synthetics on monocultures.
As far as I know there is no overdosing with natural gardening. There is nitrogen excess causing leaf growth and not tuber growth. There is nitrogen drawdown with green grass used as mulch or wood chips in decay mode, but these are healed with time and more care taken in future.

 

[Meadowlark]

I found a highly interesting article on plant nutrient sequencing mentioned by @oneeye in post #20 above.

Playing By The Rules : Biochemical Sequence, Nutrient Antagonism

BIOCHEMICAL SEQUENCING OF NUTRIENTS It is important to understand that plants have a defined biological sequence of nutrient uptake. This starts with Boron, which stimulates the root system to leach sugars into the medium.

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As you read it, you will run across this quote which made me smile

"So you should use organic Nitrogen instead of inorganic Nitrogen, which is high in Nitrates."

 

[Oliver Buckle]

"So you should use organic Nitrogen instead of inorganic Nitrogen, which is high in Nitrates."

Are they referring to the difference between nitrites and nitrates? Bonded to two oxygens or three?

 

[Meadowlark]

Three oxygen atoms, I believe. The article does a very good job of explaining the importance of balanced nutrients.

The use of synthetic fertilizers is referred to as NPK agriculture which they state is not effective.

"Our crops are less nutritious, more susceptible to pests and disease, our soil is dead and infer- tile, and crop yields are actually decreasing around the world."

 

[oneeye]

Never heard of this but always kind of wondered what reguluated the amount, if anything. What is this order of uptake? So if it starts with boron and there is none, nothing else gets uptaken?

If boron is missing it will cause a lock-out of other nutrients and the plants will suffer.

If a plant is missing boron, it will experience stunted growth, distorted development at the growing tips (like root and shoots), poor flower and fruit set, and potential tissue breakdown, often manifesting as brown spots, cracking spots, cracking or corky areas on the plant, particularly in fruits and tubers. due to boron's crucial role in cell wall development and function; this can ultimately lead to reduced crop yield and poor quality produce. Google

 

[redback]

The southeast of this state was the area of heaviest rainfall and therefore the best potential agricultural land. After drainage channels were dug, the land was found to lack the 'trace elements' manganese, boron and molybdenum among others. The problem was solved, and molybdenum became so popular all the farmers call her (it) 'molly'.
There is an Australian Standard that marks all the best potting mixes with five red ticks. These have all the common trace elements added - in tiny but adequate amounts.
Have you guys heard of 'zeolite'?

 

[cpp gardener]

Boron deficiency is hardly ever a problem here. Toxicity is more common since we have such low rainfall It doesn’t leach out.
Liebig’s law of the minimum says that the essential nutrient in the lowest concentration will be the limiting factor on growth. So it isn’t necessarily boron that is critical.
”A chain is only as strong as its weakest link”.

 

[oneeye]

Boron deficiency is hardly ever a problem here. Toxicity is more common since we have such low rainfall It doesn’t leach out.
Liebig’s law of the minimum says that the essential nutrient in the lowest concentration will be the limiting factor on growth. So it isn’t necessarily boron that is critical.
”A chain is only as strong as its weakest link”.

What is a chain called when it's missing a link? Broken. Boron is the catalyst that starts the sequence. The chain is broken without boron, and the other nutrients will be unavailable.

 

[Meadowlark]

Boron is the catalyst that starts the sequence. The chain is broken without boron, and the other nutrients will be unavailable.

Yes, and my latest soil test showed only .04 ppm boron. I'll be amending with Boron today. Without a soil test, I don't know how a prospective gardener would ever know.