Comeback of Ancient Farming Practice

[Meadowlark]

Perhaps they knew that the effort was worth it!

With modern equipment there is absolutely no question it is worth it. Too many decades for me of gardening success to think anything other than that. I never, ever leave any of my garden space empty summer, winter or whatever.

However, attempting to link this practice to defeating climate change is at best ridiculous. The real reason to employ these practices is that they work, i.e., they lead to nutrient dense vegetables with minimal use of artificial fertilizers, pesticides, and fungicides.

In the long run, it is indeed less work, not more.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

I have a fantasy of a field set with concrete posts spaced around the edges and a small stationary engine that winds a cable around them. Start it up and come back to a ploughed or harrowed field some hours later.

With gearing you wouldn't need a lot of power, a little windmill would be a nice green way forward.

 

[headfullofbees]

First time that site has been flooded since 1947 it would seem. The archeologist and hydrologist only proposed a theory, they don't offer any proof, of repetitive events on that scale.

Meanwhile
“In a changing climate, what used to be a one-in-a-thousand-year event is often not a one-in-a-thousand-year event anymore,” Hausfather said. “You see a dramatic sort of change in the return periods of these extremely unlikely events as the world warms.”

Catastrophic flooding in Pakistan — coming just weeks after its historic siege of heat — destroyed more than a million homes and left nearly 1,500 people dead. The prolonged rainfall and flooding altered the lives of 33 million Pakistanis. During the summer months, the country experienced 190 percent more rainfall than average. The World Weather Attribution project showed that climate change probably intensified this rainfall by 50 to 75 percent.


!90% more than average rainfall can not be described as 'normal'. You will be telling me it was all normal here last Summer when we had 9% of our average rainfall. In a pre industrial society that would mean mass starvation.

The problem you have is that statistics accept the idea of one-in-a-thousand year events happening in close proximity.
As in coin-tossing, heads or tails may each have a 50-50 chance, but what are the chances of the next toss being a heads if the previous 31 were all tails? Answer: 50/50

It is also the case that other variables come into play:

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[Oliver Buckle]

As in coin-tossing, heads or tails may each have a 50-50 chance, but what are the chances of the next toss being a heads if the previous 31 were all tails? Answer: 50/50

No, I reckon you have a double tailed penny

 

[headfullofbees]

First time that site has been flooded since 1947 it would seem. The archeologist and hydrologist only proposed a theory, they don't offer any proof, of repetitive events on that scale.

Meanwhile
“In a changing climate, what used to be a one-in-a-thousand-year event is often not a one-in-a-thousand-year event anymore,” Hausfather said. “You see a dramatic sort of change in the return periods of these extremely unlikely events as the world warms.”

Catastrophic flooding in Pakistan — coming just weeks after its historic siege of heat — destroyed more than a million homes and left nearly 1,500 people dead. The prolonged rainfall and flooding altered the lives of 33 million Pakistanis. During the summer months, the country experienced 190 percent more rainfall than average. The World Weather Attribution project showed that climate change probably intensified this rainfall by 50 to 75 percent.


!90% more than average rainfall can not be described as 'normal'. You will be telling me it was all normal here last Summer when we had 9% of our average rainfall. In a pre industrial society that would mean mass starvation.

Climate and average weather in Pakistan

Climate and average weather in Pakistan. Find climate information such as temperatures, precipitation, sunshine, the best time to visit and much more on this website.

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Add in the effects of the triple La Nina, & you have precisely what you'd expect from the climate.

Want to know WHY there's a climate emergency fraud?

To justify this: https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/t...nguage talk of many buildings being abandoned.

 

[roadrunner]

We hear a lot about La Nina and El Nino; however, we do NOT hear a lot about the AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation). It's called Multidecadal because it usually lasts between 20 - 40-years in one phase before shifting to the other phase (Warm and Cold phases). We've been in a Warm Phase, since the mid-1990's. And the warm phase usually results in milder winters across much of the US and Europe.

Climate is a very complicated thing with tons of factors, many of which we have no idea how they work. Cloud formation is just one example of where we're totally clueless on, but it's a major factor.

I personally don't worry about CC, but I do worry about what we're doing to the environment. If we want to electrify everything from cars to major infrastructure, I don't think many people understand just how much we have to increase our mining activities. Mining is a proven hazard to not only our health, but the health of huge expanses of ecosystems.

What is the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation? - World Climate Service

The Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation is a cyclic phenomenon of sea surface temperature anomalies in the North Atlantic Ocean.

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[headfullofbees]

Thought you might be interested in this new peer-reviewed paper showing climate heating episodes of more than 10C (18f) in less than ten years!

Decadal warming events extended into central North America during the last glacial period - Nature Geoscience

Rapid warmings of >10 °C occurred repeatedly during the last glacial period in central North America, probably coinciding with Dansgaard–Oeschger warming events, according to an annually resolved speleothem oxygen isotope record and palaeoclimate simulations.

www.nature.com

 

[Tetters]

@headfullofbees , we have been trying to point a few things out on another forum, and found that generally people see the history of the planet only goes back as far as their Great Grandparents. The picture is a bit different over a few million years.
I think our carbon dioxide level is at a low ebb. Where will food come from if plants are unable to survive (they need carbon) ''They'' already want to get rid of our farm animals because they phart too much. (posh spelling)

 

[headfullofbees]

@headfullofbees , we have been trying to point a few things out on another forum, and found that generally people see the history of the planet only goes back as far as their Great Grandparents. The picture is a bit different over a few million years.
I think our carbon dioxide level is at a low ebb. Where will food come from if plants are unable to survive (they need carbon) ''They'' already want to get rid of our farm animals because they phart too much. (posh spelling)

The UN is also discussing darkening the sky to deal with "climate change".
That's photosynthesis knacked to then.

 

[headfullofbees]

We hear a lot about La Nina and El Nino; however, we do NOT hear a lot about the AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation). It's called Multidecadal because it usually lasts between 20 - 40-years in one phase before shifting to the other phase (Warm and Cold phases). We've been in a Warm Phase, since the mid-1990's. And the warm phase usually results in milder winters across much of the US and Europe.

Climate is a very complicated thing with tons of factors, many of which we have no idea how they work. Cloud formation is just one example of where we're totally clueless on, but it's a major factor.

I personally don't worry about CC, but I do worry about what we're doing to the environment. If we want to electrify everything from cars to major infrastructure, I don't think many people understand just how much we have to increase our mining activities. Mining is a proven hazard to not only our health, but the health of huge expanses of ecosystems.

What is the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation? - World Climate Service

The Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation is a cyclic phenomenon of sea surface temperature anomalies in the North Atlantic Ocean.

www.worldclimateservice.com

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www.aoml.noaa.gov

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What you have to remember is that there will be no attempt to replace Britain's 26m ice cars with their electric equivalent; driving will be, as it was in the 1920s, the preserve of the well-to-do.
We'll have to walk, or get the bus.

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership

Soon, Brits will own nothing and will be happier for it…

www.motorious.com

 

[Tetters]

Although Zigs is out in the garden slaving at the moment, he will be wanting to add to this very valuable thread when he's finished - unless of course he collapses through overwork

The UN is also discussing darkening the sky to deal with "climate change".
That's photosynthesis knacked to then.

Absolutely!! Have you watched the film ''Soylent Green'' ?? In my book, everyone should look at it. What a prophecy

I personally don't worry about CC, but I do worry about what we're doing to the environment. If we want to electrify everything from cars to major infrastructure, I don't think many people understand just how much we have to increase our mining activities. Mining is a proven hazard to not only our health, but the health of huge expanses of ecosystems.

You make a viable point roadrunner, if only they would stop destroying the forests, and in the UK the builders are covering the country in concrete. It is suggested we should all start eating the very insects that befriend us and help us grow our food.

Not something I had come across before. My immediate reaction is that such events must have a root cause that triggers them, for example an underwater volcano putting a lot of water vapour into the stratosphere, purely an example, but I can conceive of a warming event starting a chain of events, there is a lot of methane caught up in frozen tundra, if you pass a point of temperature rising it will be released and accelerate the process. The initial event would only need to be a warming one, any type would do, and human activity may well fit that bill. It seems like a big co-incidence just when we have produced huge amounts of CO2 and released fluorides into the atmosphere. There is another part that says 'What does it matter?'. When a ball that big starts rolling momentum will keep it going.

I shall try and educate myself further, not that that will change much at my age, nor will I ever find out for certain where things are going

We are never too old to learn Oliver, even me!! I cannot believe how much there is to learn, and how important geology and very early history is. It's whether or not we can get the younger generations to question this hoax and others that are being loaded on to the mass public and open some eyes. The supposed ''climate change'' is just one subject to overcome, and this is being administered , and has been for some time now by stealth. This climate subject is one small area. Look how they are terrifying our children with the thought they are doomed. With fear, control is maintained, and when all our 15 minute cities (prisons) are in place, the control will be even easier for them. One day it will be too late to do something about it.

 

[zigs]

It's not suprising that a lot of folk have been terrified into believing the stories made up by a vocal minority.

I was accosted on the street a few years ago by a bloke from Greenpeace who wanted my money to stop CO2 emissions, he was saying that there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere at the moment. I asked him how much there is and he didn't know. Yet he wanted my money to reduce it.

I asked him how it could be too much CO2 when we're actually in a Carbon Dioxide "drought" at the moment?

He frowned and said CO2 is increasing and we have to stop it.

I said we're actually at the lowest point of atmospheric CO2 since the Jurassic period and asked if he knew how much it was then?

He didn't, but he frowned a bit more.

I told him it was 2,500 parts per million back in the Jurassic, and now it's only about 400 ppm, so how could that be too much?

He then said it's not the amount of CO2 but the rate that it's increasing....

I asked him how the rate of increase could have anything to do with it but he just started shouting and calling me names.

I told him not to take my word for it and "Google it Mate" before walking away from him.

So, like other misguided folk that glue themselves to things, they want your money and want you to do something about their "perceived problem" but won't listen to any facts, work out numbers or discuss things without getting cross, calling you a right wing climate denying homophobic anti semitic nazi before launching a special operation against you to shut you up

Like Bees mentioned earlier, if there was a "tipping point" then we never would have recovered from either the Carboniferous period (when CO2 was 3,800 ppm) or the Jurassic. There would be no plant life left and we'd all be dead.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

I agree, the arguments often are very confused, and I think backed by vested interests of one sort or another. The present emphasis on electric vehicles is an example, it really isn't a good way to go, those batteries contain stuff like lead, lithium and cadmium which are really best left in the ground where they won't poison things. Not only that, the energy costs of extracting them are higher than most petrol cars use in a lifetime. Why aren't we investigating other 'cleaner' fuels, like alcohols or hydrogen? Bet someone want their investment to pay of and is in a position of influence.
They go on and on about vehicle exhausts producing CO2, but say nothing about the CO2 produced burning limestone to make concrete, which far exceeds it. Concrete is great stuff used well, give every African a concrete floor instead of a mud one and it will dramatically improve the quality of life and reduce disease for them, use it to build a hundred stories of offices and the improvement to the quality of life of those using them is minimal, but someone makes a lot of money, and someone else gains status.

 

[Meadowlark]

...I asked him how it could be too much CO2 when we're actually in a Carbon Dioxide "drought" at the moment?

He frowned and said CO2 is increasing and we have to stop it. ...

Common sense is all too uncommon these days.

 

[Tetters]

The climate change hoax is not the only travesty. We firmly believe that it all started with the WEF. It is to do with the wealthy few creating more power and wealth for themselves at the expense of the unsuspecting masses. It's time to wake up.
We all queued up to take vaccines for a supposed ''pandemic'' . It is now beginning to become clear that these DNA vaccines were not fit for purpose, and they have caused immeasurable damage to the human race generally. I am an example of one who has been damaged by the Pfizer injection. I became very very ill within hours, and am still struggling after a heart attack and much surgical intervention.
We have been fed so many lies. If you need proof, it is possible to find it. It involves reading through reams of papers. We have followed the research of Dr John Campbell amongst others, who point out which documents to look for.
This planet warms and cools without any assistance from us. This has been happening for millions of years. This kind of knowledge has not been taught in education facilities - now many of our children are not even able to read and write properly.

Don't always take things for granted. Ask questions. Start looking for some truth. Soon we will lose the freedom we should hold dear.
I worry for my grandchildren and their offspring. I was lucky to be born early.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

Of the credible, authoritative, academic sources the polite ones call Dr John Campbells articles 'misleading' and use the term 'Flawed reasoning'.

Check out Independent Sage, not Government affiliated, or always agreeing with the Govt. sage, but some very credible people from universities and top medical establishments. They do a fortnightly review.

Whilst I have sympathy for your illness your single case is anecdotal, not evidence any more than my experience of receiving six vaccines and being fine with it is. One has to look at the big picture, that shows that, although this disease is a special case in terms of the way it deals with immunity, vaccines still reduce the risk from it all round, and all though there can be problems from them they are far fewer than those they prevent.

 

[zigs]

Of the credible, authoritative, academic sources the polite ones call Dr John Campbells articles 'misleading' and use the term 'Flawed reasoning'.

Check out Independent Sage, not Government affiliated, or always agreeing with the Govt. sage, but some very credible people from universities and top medical establishments. They do a fortnightly review.

Whilst I have sympathy for your illness your single case is anecdotal, not evidence any more than my experience of receiving six vaccines and being fine with it is. One has to look at the big picture, that shows that, although this disease is a special case in terms of the way it deals with immunity, vaccines still reduce the risk from it all round, and all though there can be problems from them they are far fewer than those they prevent.

Funny that, as Doctor John backs up absolutely everything he says with peer reviewed references, doesn't claim that he is stating anything as a fact and leaves people to draw their own conclusions.

Far more people have been damaged by the use of the "vaccines" and their incorrect methods of administration than just Tetters "single anecdotatal case.

"An Israeli paper published in Nature’s scientific reports showed a 25% increase in heart attack and cardiac arrest in 16 to 39-year-olds in Israel. Another report from Israel looked at levels of myocarditis and pericarditis in people who had had covid and those who had not. It was a study of, I think, 1.2 million who had not had covid and 740,000 who had had it. The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis was identical in both groups. This would tell the House that whatever is causing the increase in heart problems now, it is not due to having been infected with covid-19."

There are loads of reports on the web saying the vaccine is safe, people are frightened to say otherwise, look what happened to Andrew Bridgen.

The "vaccine" was meant to be intramuscular, they weren't aspirating when administering this like they should have been so if it got into someone's bloodstream it would go where it wasn't meant to go.

I put the word vaccine into inverted commas as it isn't actually a vaccine, it is a gene therapy.

 

[Tetters]

@Oliver Buckle I am delighted that you have escaped injury from this unproved, untested, and unwanted gene therapy.
As I mentioned before (if you spotted it) Dr John actually indicated which papers for me to check and read. He is not the only doctor who concurs with the findings from this. I can post a link here from Florida health.gov for you to look at https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2023/02/20230215-updated-health-alert.pr.html ...... I could also provide some admissions from ''the horses mouth'' Pfizers.com if you would be interested to read them.

Whether we want to believe it or not there appears to be a most sinister global conspiracy happening under our noses.
I thank @Meadowlark for his thread and wish with all I can muster that the Ancient Farming Practices will survive. It is a very sad world we now find ourselves in. Food production appears to be in decline throughout the world. The global weather nonsense is slowly ending the time when the cows and sheep can roam in the fields, and it is becoming almost impossible to care for our hens which supply us with eggs.
It is even being pushed forward now that we should EAT the very insects that help us to nurture our vegetable crops. I'll show you what you can have for tea shall I... https://www.ed.ac.uk/impact/opinion/why-europeans-should-eat-more-insects

By the way Oliver, I find that the sources you see as ''credible'' are nothing like mine. I do not trust politicians, main stream media, and especially the WEF (World economic forum) We have to do more homework to find any kind of truth. It is all about GREED.

 

[Chuck]

@Oliver Buckle I am delighted that you have escaped injury from this unproved, untested, and unwanted gene therapy.
As I mentioned before (if you spotted it) Dr John actually indicated which papers for me to check and read. He is not the only doctor who concurs with the findings from this. I can post a link here from Florida health.gov for you to look at https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2023/02/20230215-updated-health-alert.pr.html ...... I could also provide some admissions from ''the horses mouth'' Pfizers.com if you would be interested to read them.

Whether we want to believe it or not there appears to be a most sinister global conspiracy happening under our noses.
I thank @Meadowlark for his thread and wish with all I can muster that the Ancient Farming Practices will survive. It is a very sad world we now find ourselves in. Food production appears to be in decline throughout the world. The global weather nonsense is slowly ending the time when the cows and sheep can roam in the fields, and it is becoming almost impossible to care for our hens which supply us with eggs.
It is even being pushed forward now that we should EAT the very insects that help us to nurture our vegetable crops. I'll show you what you can have for tea shall I... https://www.ed.ac.uk/impact/opinion/why-europeans-should-eat-more-insects

By the way Oliver, I find that the sources you see as ''credible'' are nothing like mine. I do not trust politicians, main stream media, and especially the WEF (World economic forum) We have to do more homework to find any kind of truth. It is all about GREED.

And POWER. Here in the US it is starting to be big news about what you have stated and the outright lying of government officials and the main stream media about everything Covid 19. Hopefully, some individuals will go to prison for the damage they have inflicted on millions of people.

 

[headfullofbees]

I agree, the arguments often are very confused, and I think backed by vested interests of one sort or another. The present emphasis on electric vehicles is an example, it really isn't a good way to go, those batteries contain stuff like lead, lithium and cadmium which are really best left in the ground where they won't poison things. Not only that, the energy costs of extracting them are higher than most petrol cars use in a lifetime. Why aren't we investigating other 'cleaner' fuels, like alcohols or hydrogen? Bet someone want their investment to pay of and is in a position of influence.
They go on and on about vehicle exhausts producing CO2, but say nothing about the CO2 produced burning limestone to make concrete, which far exceeds it. Concrete is great stuff used well, give every African a concrete floor instead of a mud one and it will dramatically improve the quality of life and reduce disease for them, use it to build a hundred stories of offices and the improvement to the quality of life of those using them is minimal, but someone makes a lot of money, and someone else gains status.

In 2010 or 11, Ottmar Edenhofer, then No2 (and I mean that folks) at the IPCC stated this:
"Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated."

& this:

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy any more."

You can google it, you'll easily find it.

That's why everything politicians regulate gets worse; it's their intention, the treacherous *******s.


The very point of renewables is that they're unreliable; they talk about capacity of 27GW of wind power in the UK, but capacity isn't DELIVERY, which is often at less than 5% of capacity. Years ago the elites were stating that the idea of taking power for granted would soon be over, but they did not tell us that this would be by design.
As I type this we're getting just under 10%, it's perishing cold (for us).

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