Tomatoes Not ripening fully

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The role of photosynthesis is quite clear, that's where the nutrition comes from. Otherwise roots will not have sugars available and there will be no exchange of nutrients from soil biology.
I keep going back to this in my head. Hardiness zone 5a gets pretty cold, but I am guessing you must get reasonable summers, they can be pretty rubbish here and we have problems towards the end of the season, stripping the leaves actually does help, it's fairly common practice here and has undeniable, observable, results.
Given that information denying it and looking for reasons it isn't true doesn't seem at all helpful, wondering how and why it works might be. My theory is that, in crisis, the plant robs the rest of itself of nutrition and gives itself the best chance of reproducing, but like so many things in gardening I don't think anyone has actually investigated it.
I grew some RAF this year, the missus brought me the seeds back from holiday. The name is from the French for 'Resistance to blight' and by the end of the season that was well demonstrated compared to my other tomatoes. It is a descendant of Marmande, a beefsteak, and Google tells me it is not F1 and I can save seed, which I am in the process of doing, might give you some nice variety.
 
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I say (because we all were late here) that the sequencing lacked normal momentum. Growing light increasing and lower temps trigger chemical balances to your purpose inside every plant. Those we grow to maturity in a short 6 months are sensitive to the time of year. One cannot be 2 months off planting times around here and get normal pollenation much less growth when young plants are heat stressed and the pollen is melting. They want to be earlier is all. The phytohormone balances are key and are both heat and sunlight driven. Perhaps you might look that direction for support. I understand gibberillins are to do with senesence and thus maturity.
The problem is i can't put tomatoes in the ground when its still dropping to 30°F here over night in April and into May. We didn't get consistent 'over 60°F weather till the third week in May, last year was worse, we had snow flurries in early May and below 40°F temps overnight until the first or second week in June.

I find that tomatoes struggle to survive anytime before we have constant temps below 60°F.

Last year, they got a later start, and i planted only Better Boys, which did great but I didn't plant enough, having used up only the seed I had from the year before. (I was going to buy plants but when i went to the farm supply here all their plants looked diseased so i skipped them and planted my own late, but it didn't matter because of the late spring.
However, they produced consistently without issue well into Nov. or until the first frost. (We didn't see temps below 50°F until the third week of Nov. The few nights that were supposed to get cold i just pulled a clear poly tarp over the whole row overnight.

I had the yellow top issue years ago when i was doing a large variety of tomatoes, I had it with regular beefsteak tomatoes and with Early Girls too. That was the last year I bothered with anything but Better Boys but I did have a few bad years in the past with them. About 8 years ago the Better Boy plants did very little and suffered from all sorts of issues, but they did produce well into August before they started getting leaf spots and dying off.
This year I did twice as many plants in the larger cages, each cage is 6 and 7ft tall, and I've got 12ft cages in the other garden up front. The only Better Boy tomatoes that are growing are three plants that sprouted from two year old seeds I planted in March. They're huge plants but the tomatoes are small. Those are in a raised bed, planting box, filled solely with fresh soil, a mix of mushroom soil, peat moss, compost, and those are fertilized soley by Miracle Grow liquid and watered via a buried soaker hose. The raised beds up near the house are sort of my testing grounds for either new plants, older seeds, and duplicates of what's in the ground outback as a control of sorts.

The raised bed plants, which consist of 2 of the same Better Boy plants that failed outback, four Better Boy plants from 2022 seeds, and two Garden Monster Leader plants from the same planting as those out back.

In the front raised bed, I can't tell the difference between the Better Boy and Garden Leader plants or their fruit, both so far are only giving me small, 2.5" round fruit in clusters of three. Completely different than those out back which are giving me the odd mix of sizes.

All plants are still growing and still blossoming and putting on new tomatoes, but how many will actually mature is up to the weather. If the weather stays warm, which its supposed to for at least the rest of next week, I should see all that's on there now mature and ripen.

I did pick roughly a full bushel of tomatoes this morning, all about half way ripe. They will be red by Sun. and I suppose I'll be cooking a good many of them into sauce or canning them as whole tomatoes. The later production seems to be getting better as far as the yellow tops but not completely.

The Okra is also improving, putting on a two foot growth spurt over the past few days. production though is lower than in past years. Since the first larger picking, over two 15ft rows, I only get maybe 5 or 6 okras each day but there are hundreds of blossoms and as many smaller okra on the plant that are growing every so slowly. They usually proceed from blossom to full size faster than they have this year and they normally do better and shoot up during the hottest months, not as the temps are cooling down.


I didn't think the Garden Giant Leaders were heirloom variety plants? I thought because of the VFN resistance and the fact they were not listed among the Hybrid seeds that they were a hybrid of some sort.

They are listed as 'open pollinators'.

They say they should get to 17 oz, so far I've had a few 10 -12 oz but most are half that size. They aren't lacking for fertilizer and the PH is 6.2 to 6.7 using the test strip method and that agrees with the test I had done at the farm center at a local college. I starting using them years ago when I was planting a couple acres of tomatoes for a small stand a buddy of mine had about 15 years ago. I haven't done that now for about 8 years but continued to follow the same practices here at home.

I've downsized the garden over the past few years, mostly because its just me here now but in the past I planted the majority of my back yard, about a 35 x 47 ft area which I had fenced in top and bottom, but I had tons of ground hog issues, and still do. I used to do five rows of Tomatoes, five rows of mixed squash, five rows of lettuce, two spinach, two red beets, and 12 rows of peas in the spring that got planted as soon as the ground could be broken to plant the seeds.
I'd like to get back to doing a larger garden but to do so I'd need to fence it in heavier than before to keep out ground hogs.
This year was the first year that I had ground hogs eat tomato plants, they ate four of the new better boy plants down the ground a week after i put them in the garden. They never touched the Garden Leader Monsters.


The Garden Leaders are a different looking plant, they're a distinctively heavy. large vine vs a vining bush. The vine grows in first, then the leaves populate the vine, then it blossoms and put on fruit. They seem more tolerant of handling and directing throughout their growth. I haven't had to tie any of them, I just weave new growth through the cages and they stay and follow that direction. T

he Better Boy plants just fall back down, they have to be tied to force their upward growth. They seem to want to crawl along the ground as much as they want to climb the cages. Even larger diameter Better Boy stems have no ability to stand on their own without support but these Garden leaders shoot up, then the vines get rigid and stay where you put them eventually turning almost woody as the plant grows.
Just looking at the plants, even from a distance, the vines are clearly obvious, even though the foliage. That's not the case with the Better Boy plants.
 
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@yardiron Sounds like you need to invest in a glass greenhouse with a cement floor. No groundhogs will disrurb anything and since you are growing heat loving okra and tomatoes, you will hold heat in the greenhouse, and keep frost and critters out.
 
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LOL that is so funny, I would absolutely flip that completely around. Now I've never grown those Garden Leader and never would. I've been growing Greek heirloom tomatoes for over 30 years now that are the best tomatoes I've ever had in my life and people I give tomatoes or plants to agree with me. There's not a hybrid tomato in the world that even comes close to matching the flavour and meatiness of these fruit. The only downside to them as with most heirlooms is their lack of resistance to blight but I deal with that no problem. My biggest one so far this season is 2lb 4oz with plenty in the 1 1/2lb range but it's the flavour that stands out the most.View attachment 105109View attachment 105110View attachment 105111
Beautiful tomatoes
I have brother in law that lives in Bracebridge Ontario who is not a gardener.

With our weather in Mobile and now in the zone 9b we cannot grow a lot of the varieties that you can way North of us.

It’s even more difficult to grow heirlooms without spraying or dusting. If I could grow large tomatoes easily I would definitely plant those
 
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@yardiron Sounds like you need to invest in a glass greenhouse with a cement floor. No groundhogs will disrurb anything and since you are growing heat loving okra and tomatoes, you will hold heat in the greenhouse, and keep frost and critters out.
I considered that but around here it would jack up my taxes even higher.
As it is I've been trying to get rid of one of my sheds here that's costing me $2k a year in taxes. They won't issue a perit to take it down, which is required so it does actually come off your taxes, but they won't issue a permit for its removal without a plan for rebuilding it. Its a scam to prevent anyone from removing an outbuilding or any 'improvements' on a property to reduce the taxes.
If I put up a greenhouse, I'd need at least a 20x15, which is well above the 8x8ft max they allow without a permit, assuming you have no other out buidings.
(I have two sheds, by accident. One shed is actually remnants of an old chicken coop that was here in the 20's before the houses were built, its roughly 20 x 16ft and in rough shape. Being a dirt floor farm building the ground hogs have torn it up pretty bad. The roof is okay but its rotting form the bottom up with no foundation so it has to go.
The other is an 8x10ft on a concrete slab near the garden. It was actually built by a neighbor years ago but after I had the place surveyed, we found out it was on my property, thus it became mine after the original neighbor passed away. (I didn't press the issue till the place sold, that way I wasn't taking it away from anyone. (It turned out that the next five properties north of me all were 19ft over their property lines somehow, with the property to the south being a lot and a half not a full two lots. The resurvey gave me an additional 26ft if lot width, which only really spaced out all the homes evenly here vs my only have four feet to the north.

By having two sheds I'm actually in violation of the city ordinance of only being allowed one shed, not larger than 8x10ft or 80 sq/ft.
The old building is grandfathered in but taxed as if it were a full garage, but with a 6ft roof height, its never going to hold a car and is barely tall enough to walk in. Its not held anything but garden tools and things like gas cans and wheel barrows just to keep then out of the sun. My insurance co. wants it gone but the city won't allow it. There's been a tree looming over it for years that will eventually solve the problem though.

Animal control won't touch groundhogs and we can't fire a gun in the city limits I have gotten a few with a bow but if I missed, it could sent an arrow into a nearby supermarket parking lot or a neighbors yard. Plus, the one neighbor thinks they're cute and has been feeding them. I keep telling her they taste like chicken, "What ever your feeding them is delicious, keep it up". One that died of lead poisoning a few weeks ago was over 25 lbs, it was the size of large cat. It was trying to chew through the hardware cloth fence I put up around the raised bed garden up by the house when it suddenly stopped breathing.

A buddy eats them, he's eaten well this year but its not made a dent in the population. One goes down, and two take its place. The stray cats in the area kill a few in the spring, mostly the younger ones but rarely do they mess with a larger one.

The large ground hogs are very leery of traps too, rarely will they enter a trap, most live traps only catch cats it seems, and the occasional skunk, squirrel, or racoon. Usually just skunks. Luckily the local skunk is pretty calm and doesn't spray when you let him or her out. He just looks stops and looks back for a bit and runs off.

I've had skunks around here for years and never had one spray or show any concern about me being too close, not even when they have young. The one will walk right by me and just look up at me. One will actually come out of the field outback and hang around while I work in the yard, or bring out its young to play in the grass while I'm out there.

My ex was scared to death of them, she was in the hammock once and woke up with a huge skunk that was here then just laying there watching her in the grass. It followed her back to the house like a pet as she ran screaming. It used to eat from the cat's dish on the porch, and got along with the cat we had then. I'd find it stretched out on the front step all the time next to my cat, they were pals I guess. (There's no better salesman deterrent than a skunk on the front step). Both that cat and that particular skunk have been gone for over 8 years now but it was like having another outside cat that kept strange people away.
 
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Could you rebuild the shed in glass? If they won't let you do that how about putting in lots of windows? Do you need permission to put windows in your shed?
 
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I considered that but around here it would jack up my taxes even higher.
As it is I've been trying to get rid of one of my sheds here that's costing me $2k a year in taxes. They won't issue a perit to take it down, which is required so it does actually come off your taxes, but they won't issue a permit for its removal without a plan for rebuilding it. Its a scam to prevent anyone from removing an outbuilding or any 'improvements' on a property to reduce the taxes.
If I put up a greenhouse, I'd need at least a 20x15, which is well above the 8x8ft max they allow without a permit, assuming you have no other out buidings.
(I have two sheds, by accident. One shed is actually remnants of an old chicken coop that was here in the 20's before the houses were built, its roughly 20 x 16ft and in rough shape. Being a dirt floor farm building the ground hogs have torn it up pretty bad. The roof is okay but its rotting form the bottom up with no foundation so it has to go.
The other is an 8x10ft on a concrete slab near the garden. It was actually built by a neighbor years ago but after I had the place surveyed, we found out it was on my property, thus it became mine after the original neighbor passed away. (I didn't press the issue till the place sold, that way I wasn't taking it away from anyone. (It turned out that the next five properties north of me all were 19ft over their property lines somehow, with the property to the south being a lot and a half not a full two lots. The resurvey gave me an additional 26ft if lot width, which only really spaced out all the homes evenly here vs my only have four feet to the north.

By having two sheds I'm actually in violation of the city ordinance of only being allowed one shed, not larger than 8x10ft or 80 sq/ft.
The old building is grandfathered in but taxed as if it were a full garage, but with a 6ft roof height, its never going to hold a car and is barely tall enough to walk in. Its not held anything but garden tools and things like gas cans and wheel barrows just to keep then out of the sun. My insurance co. wants it gone but the city won't allow it. There's been a tree looming over it for years that will eventually solve the problem though.

Animal control won't touch groundhogs and we can't fire a gun in the city limits I have gotten a few with a bow but if I missed, it could sent an arrow into a nearby supermarket parking lot or a neighbors yard. Plus, the one neighbor thinks they're cute and has been feeding them. I keep telling her they taste like chicken, "What ever your feeding them is delicious, keep it up". One that died of lead poisoning a few weeks ago was over 25 lbs, it was the size of large cat. It was trying to chew through the hardware cloth fence I put up around the raised bed garden up by the house when it suddenly stopped breathing.

A buddy eats them, he's eaten well this year but its not made a dent in the population. One goes down, and two take its place. The stray cats in the area kill a few in the spring, mostly the younger ones but rarely do they mess with a larger one.

The large ground hogs are very leery of traps too, rarely will they enter a trap, most live traps only catch cats it seems, and the occasional skunk, squirrel, or racoon. Usually just skunks. Luckily the local skunk is pretty calm and doesn't spray when you let him or her out. He just looks stops and looks back for a bit and runs off.

I've had skunks around here for years and never had one spray or show any concern about me being too close, not even when they have young. The one will walk right by me and just look up at me. One will actually come out of the field outback and hang around while I work in the yard, or bring out its young to play in the grass while I'm out there.

My ex was scared to death of them, she was in the hammock once and woke up with a huge skunk that was here then just laying there watching her in the grass. It followed her back to the house like a pet as she ran screaming. It used to eat from the cat's dish on the porch, and got along with the cat we had then. I'd find it stretched out on the front step all the time next to my cat, they were pals I guess. (There's no better salesman deterrent than a skunk on the front step). Both that cat and that particular skunk have been gone for over 8 years now but it was like having another outside cat that kept strange people away.
That is just wild about your taxes for just an old shed, it might be worth talking to a lawyer to pressure the city considering what you pay in tax. As for your groundhog issue around here many farmers use flybait mixed with soda to take care of raccoons and skunks that I know works very well and apparently according to the farm supply store it works for groundhogs as well. Half a cup of the blue crystals and half a can of pepsi in a container like a 4 1/2" abs cap works well as it won't easily tip over. Cats and dogs won't touch it so there is no worry about pets. Usually the critters won't go more than 5'-10' before expiring.
 
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I say a two story shed is better than a 1 story shed. Heck you can throw stones from a 2 story glass shed since you do not live there. Any rules about going up?
 
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Could you rebuild the shed in glass? If they won't let you do that how about putting in lots of windows? Do you need permission to put windows in your shed?
Both sheds are in areas with tree cover. The goal is to get rid of one to lower the taxes. Any construction requires a permit. I have all the pieces to put up a 20ft x 15ft hoop house but the plastic doesn't last more than a few months in the sun and wind. A shed with windows means everyone can see what you have in there.
I keep things like my mower, chainsaws, generator, and tools in there. Windows are just an easy way in.
 
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I say a two story shed is better than a 1 story shed. Heck you can throw stones from a 2 story glass shed since you do not live there. Any rules about going up?
Building anything would mean a permit and two stories would double the square footage thus the taxes on it. There is a height regulation, I ran into that trying to build a garage here when I first moved here. They turned me down for building a garage with a storage area overhead because an outbuilding cannot exceed more than a certain percentage of the average height of all other buildings in the area.
 
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I can't say I ever heard about the flybait trick.
I haven't been able to find those blue crystals around here in years, the hardware store I used to buy them from said they banned them here for some reason.
I used to use them at work to control flies but then all of a sudden they were non existent. I think the brand I was buying was Blue Streak, they were dark blue gravel like pellets that resembled fish tank gravel.

I'd put a few cups of that stuff around and the flies were gone in about a week.
 
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I can't say I ever heard about the flybait trick.
I haven't been able to find those blue crystals around here in years, the hardware store I used to buy them from said they banned them here for some reason.
I used to use them at work to control flies but then all of a sudden they were non existent. I think the brand I was buying was Blue Streak, they were dark blue gravel like pellets that resembled fish tank gravel.

I'd put a few cups of that stuff around and the flies were gone in about a week.
It's readily available around here at any farm supply, I'm surprised you can't find it, usually a lot of products we can't get in Canada are available in the States such as high Deet levels. This is the one we get here. https://www.farmersdepot.ca/starbar-premium-fly-bait-454-g-677709

This one seems to be available in the states. https://www.starbarproducts.com/all-products/baits/golden-malrin-fly-bait
 
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Tractor Supply here has that brand but they want $75 for the smallest bucket, 10.6 lbs.

Lead is cheaper but it attracts to much attention.

Ground hogs aren't endangered but are not considered a nuisance pest here and legally can't be 'hunted' and nothing can be 'hunted or trapped in a residential area like this.
I did find two dead the other day, they seem to have died from the hole in their heads, they'll make great fertilizer but two doesn't make a dent in the population here.

I'm still getting odd results from the tomatoes even though the weather has been fairly normal here. There's been a lack of rain but I water for an hour every day. I get one of three types of tomatoes, either they're large and pumpkin shaped with deep ridges, and many of those form with a single green ridge that never ripens, those are clumped together with one or two normal but small tomatoes about 2" in diameter and very round, and then I get two at the end of the cluster that will ripen and look totally normal but when I peel them, the insides are green. They can be completely green, with a bright red skin, or yellow at the top, or red throughout but with the seed areas still dark green. This is only on the Garden Leader Monsters.

I think next year I'll avoid them but they have been disease free all year, even with the hot July weather we had.
I'm leery about doing Better Boy again next year, this year's plants were a total waste of time, all 25 of them died out, with only two living long enough to set fruit, and that fruit was inedible and tiny.
The only Better Boy plants that did okay, but still gave me small tomatoes, were seeds left over from 2022.

I'm thinking the hybrid was screwed up somehow this year? I've had bad year before for Better Boy plants but never from seed.

Maybe I'll find a new source for seed in hopes to get a different strain of plants.
 
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I think next year I'll avoid them but they have been disease free all year, even with the hot July weather we had.
I'm leery about doing Better Boy again next year, this year's plants were a total waste of time, all 25 of them died out, with only two living long enough to set fruit, and that fruit was inedible and tiny.
I had some RAF my missus brought seed back from her holiday in Madera a couple of years ago. They are an offspring from Marmande, a French beefsteak and the name comes from 'Resistance Aux whatever the French for blight is'. I only had one outside, but it was the only plant not to get blight. The tomatoes are flatish with deep indentations around the top, and pretty good. I shall definitely grow more for outside next year.
Real seeds lists some bush tomatoes that are really quick growing as a way of avoiding blight https://www.realseeds.co.uk/tomatoes_bush.html
Their page of vine tomatoes also gives some that are 'blight resistant'. I don't suppose you can import seed from Wales, but they have no f1 types, all their varieties will grow true from seed, so once you have them you are okay for the future. They also publish how to save seed from all sorts of veg. lovely, ethical people who have all sorts of unusual varieties of things.
 
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Tractor Supply here has that brand but they want $75 for the smallest bucket, 10.6 lbs.

Lead is cheaper but it attracts to much attention.

1 lb containers here are readily available, ask them if they'll order some for you. That's a good price though, it's $20 for 1 lb. here.
 

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