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Message: [QUOTE="Zachary140, post: 138209, member: 6030"] Hello, I have looked around on the internet for help on these guys. We bought some Fall Gold's a few years back, approx 2 years ago, this being our 3rd year growing them. We got them from farmer's seed in Faribault, MN as bare roots. [URL]https://www.farmerseed.com/6534-fall-gold-raspberry[/URL] While planting them we cut them down to approx 6 inches tall and watered well until established. After planting them we left them alone this first season until fall when we just cut back the tips. The second year they grew like crazy but grew up vertically about 2 feet and everything went sideways and they spread like wild. These have massive thorny spikes on them and we tied them up the best we could with leather gloves. Last fall I about had it with them and cut them back to just a few good branches. We went to the store and one person there said we did the right things thus far, and the next guy said we shouldn't have pruned them and we wrecked them for life. Is there anyone with any real knowledge on these that can help? Can you prune heavily to re-train the plant? Thank you for the help in advance. [/QUOTE]