Turning Clay Into Usable Dirt Question

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Hello All!
I apologize if this is written somewhere else on the group, but Search isn't working for me today,

I had to remove a section of driveway to repair the sewer. It can't be paved until spring due to cold weather, so I decided to put a layer of 21AA gravel for winter. This left me with about 1/2 yard of heavy, tightly packed clay. The clay comes up in large chunks when I dig with the mattock.

Years ago someone told me that if ground up leaves are mixed with the clay it becomes usable soil for the garden. Since I have 5 maple trees surrounding the yard, leaves are plentiful. I usually grind the leaves up with the lawnmower anyway. And I have a small, electric utility mixer to help.

Even though it's inexpensive to dump clay, I hate to take the clay to the landscape supplier because the guy there told me it ends up in a landfill.

Does this sound like a good plan? Do you know a better way to save the clay?

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Compost added to clay, which would consist of all types of garden and yard waste, that has rotted down to make a rich dirt is what is needed to amend clay soils.

Uncomposted leaves are not going to do much right away, they need to be composted first.
 
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I live on heavy clay soil. When I make up potting compost I always work in a little clay, the tiny particles get surrounded by water as they are small enough the surface tension of the water keeps them there, and nutrients dissolve in water. It's easy to get too much though.
The other thing I do is whenever I have a fire I set it up to burn good and hot and add the clay to it, if possible I dry it out first. The tiny ends of the clay melt and fuse giving you a sort of rough terracotta. When the fire dies down I shovel it all up and go through it with a spade to break up the pieces, then put it through a sieve, I wear a mask, the ash flies. The result is a mixture of wood ash and terracotta, potash and drainage, it does clay earth the world of good.
 
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The other thing to do is add lime. As long as the clay is not already alkaline. The lime acts as a binding agent between the flat shaped clay crystals making them bigger. (Look up flocculation) Adding uncomposted leaves would help as would any humus you can find.
 
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Thank You All for helping and for your advice.

Although Oliver's fire idea sounds like the most fun of all, we're not allowed to have fire outside- not even a patio chiminea. The city is very quick to give tickets.

Our city gives away well rotted, black compost. If they still have some, perhaps I'll start with that and see how it goes. Does 50:50 seem like a good mix?

If the compost's not available this late in the year, does it sound feasible to mix the chopped leaves in until spring, then add compost and sharp sand and lime if needed?

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Thank You All for helping and for your advice.

Although Oliver's fire idea sounds like the most fun of all, we're not allowed to have fire outside- not even a patio chiminea. The city is very quick to give tickets.

Our city gives away well rotted, black compost. If they still have some, perhaps I'll start with that and see how it goes. Does 50:50 seem like a good mix?

If the compost's not available this late in the year, does it sound feasible to mix the chopped leaves in until spring, then add compost and sharp sand and lime if needed?

Thanks Again!
Paul
Yes you can add leaves now and as much compost as you can get in spring, if you have to wait for it.
 
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It would be better to chop the leaves the way you do and then lay them on top of the ground without mixing them in. Let gravity and microorganisms work it into the ground. Same with the city compost.
 
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Thanks AnnieKay and CPP Gardener for the follow-up.
It should be a fun project. I like anything to do with dirt working. (Well... Not so much using the mattock to free the clay.)
Paul
 
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If your clay is really that solid then it will take years to get it good. Think about what you want to do with it. If you want to make flower beds. Build up raised beds. Clay at the bottom and good organic material on top nice and thick after a couple of years the plant roots and organic matt will break it down to nice nutrien rich soil
 

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