Sea minerals boost plants (and human) health

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They're all still water-soluble salts.
How do sea salts REALLY differ from other salts? I know the sea salts have a greater variety of elements, but chemically they react the same. Sodium is Sodium, Copper is Copper, Magnesium is Magnesium. How exactly does it matter the source of the nutrient?
My point is that it seems more an emotional issue and less of a science issue. It's romantic to feel that 'Mother Nature' is providing the nutrients rather than an industrial site. In the end the product is the same. To attribute some mystical source effect to elements, rather than accepting science seems naive.
I have used Miracle-Gro and similar products for decades and the only negative results were when I got cocky and used too much at one time. A couple weeks later all was fine.
 

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So you're calling university studies and 40 years of documented research an emotional issue? I think that's called projection. I've cited evidence, not emotions. You're the one using emotions and no evidence.

"I know the sea salts have a greater variety of elements, but chemically they react the same."
Right, that's a big part of the point of this entire thread: that sea minerals do in fact have a greater variety of minerals for plants, including trace minerals, which chemical/synthetic fertilizers do not have, and these minerals are part of what provides plants (and humans) with health, growth, and disease resistance benefits. This is what is so beneficial about sea minerals. You've confirmed what I've been pointing out all along: plants fertilized with sea minerals and animals fed sea-mineral-fertilized feeds grow stronger and more resistant to disease, along with higher nutritional value and increased yield from plants.

For livestock, when fed with sea mineral fertilized feed, Dr. Murray observed less runts, rooting in pigs, larger, higher quality eggs from chickens, less mortality in chickens, and many other benefits (see "sheet 1" of the spreadsheet). This is largely due to the fact that there are over 90 minerals in sea water. This book, "Minerals For The Genetic Code", helps explain what each mineral actually helps with:

How exactly does it matter the source of the nutrient?
Isn't that a bit of a naive statement in this day and age? The source of a nutrient matters greatly, as it affects the availability, uptake, and overall effectiveness of the nutrients for plant (and human) growth. With humans, for example, have a look at Dr. Terry Wahls' material: https://terrywahls.com/the-wahls-protocol/ Take a doctor's word for it, not mine. She took pills, multivitamins and pharmaceuticals for years in an effort to cure her MS, but it was only when she upped her "source" of the same nutrients by eating whole fruits and vegetables for every meal, and a wide range of different ones, did she cure herself of MS. It helped replenish the myelin sheathing of her nerves, apparently, among other things. Go ask her, or tell her she's wrong. The source obviously matters greatly.

Re-read (or read, if you haven't) this page I linked to in an earlier post about how wheatgrass takes up more minerals and makes them more readily available to the human body, by using sea minerals as a fertilizer:
Wheatgrass is one of the most nutritious plants we can eat (most easily as a juice) because, genetically, it takes up more micro-nutrients from minerals than virtually any other plant. But if those minerals are not available to the plant, it won't be as nutritious (or healthy or as disease resistant) as it could be. Hence the importance of a wide variety of minerals that sea mineral fertilizers provide. That wide variety of minerals doesn't exist in chemical fertilizers, whether they "react the same" or not is irrelevant; if they're not there to react at all then they can't help.

Or if you think compost provides everything a garden needs, then consider reading The Intelligent Gardener. Go get your compost tested at a lab, and you'll see it very likely isn't as nutritious for your plants as you may have thought. Usually compost is decent for nitrogen but that's about it, depending on how you make it.

Sea minerals are also ionic in nature, providing a more immediate and more easily absorbed source of the mineral. Ionic trace minerals play a pivotal role in the absorption of other nutrients. They act as transporters, facilitating the movement of vitamins and macronutrients across cell membranes:

The minerals available in sea minerals provide missing ingredients that many large agricultural food producers don't use. There's plenty of material, and books, available at Acres USA:
And their bookstore:

You're free to use synthetic fertilizer if you want, go for it if you think it's better. I think the material I've provided in this thread makes a clear case why I think it isn't.

If you want to argue chemical fertilizer vs natural fertilizer, then I think you might re-read @Meadowlark 's post and read some books from Acres USA.

(Again, I've no affiliation with any of the websites or products I've cited).
 

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I'm going to check out that book "Restoration Agriculture" from Acres USA. Sounds interesting but hopefully not just another name. Thanks @gardenstart

I've seen my own gardening techniques described in "Permaculture" literature.

"Regenerative Agriculture" seems to be the latest buzzword...and again it describes my own gardening techniques.

Long before that "Organic Gardening" was the hot new thing and I was practicing it before it was even named.

I'm interested to see what this latest "Restoration Agriculture" is all about...but I'm guessing I have already been doing it a long time. ;)
 

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Sure, no problem. Hopefully it's a good book, haven't read that one. It's funny how conventional wisdom seems to come around again (under a new buzzword)!

And, on a slightly different health note, minerals are also apparently very important for healthy teeth:

This book summarizes some of Dr. Weston A. Price's findings, which I have read and found very interesting (no affiliation with either!)
"Cure Tooth Decay"
He highlights the important of vitamin D & A ratio, along with the importance of minerals.
 
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Data's there, have a look. Your choice.
You can lead a horse to water, I suppose...
 

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Any studies other than Dr Maynard’s? Any independent University studies? Replicated results from a soil scientist instead of an MD?
Wonderful, colorful anecdotal reports, but no science-based testing.

Gimmick City.
 

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Any studies other than Dr Maynard’s? Any independent University studies? Replicated results from a soil scientist instead of an MD?
Wonderful, colorful anecdotal reports, but no science-based testing.

Gimmick City.
I'd suggest doing your own research instead of just keep asking questions. For instance you keep harping on the amount of salt in these products, meanwhile if you bothered to look there are products like Sea-Crop that remove 95% of the sodium chloride while retaining all the other beneficial nutrients.
 

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I have the same questions about that one.
Any University testing?
Any replicated results from a soil scientist instead of an MD?
Any guaranteed analysis of nutrient content?

I know many elements ( other than N,P,K) are needed for plant growth, but I can't see where this would stimulate plant growth more than those.
A soil test would show if any of those are deficient and then you could decide if you need to add anything.
 

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It's funny, because at first I though you were sincere and genuinely seeking answers, @cpp gardener . Then I thought you were just trying to harass people. Now I'm thinking you might have cognitive issues (or all of the above). Why? No offense, but it's because I've literally posted the answers to all your questions more than once.

First you first said it was too much salt. You saw that was untrue. Then you tried to claim the source of nutrients doesn't matter. You saw that's also untrue. Now you're saying there isn't enough "science", which is also untrue.

You seem to forget that you've already conceded in your post above, anyway.

But none of this is enough for you, apparently. So, since you keep moving the goalposts and are never satisfied, I have to conclude that at this point you're just a troll. But, like any good troll, you're likely going to come back and move your goalposts again and say this isn't good enough for you, either. Frankly, I don't care anymore. This is plenty of research. If you are seeking truth, then go seek it, but if you just have an axe to grind for some odd reason, then go grind it somewhere else, please.

The benefit to this exchange, however, is that people will now have lots of clear info across many posts to base their own conclusions on! So thank you for your help.

I'll post the answers to your questions (again) in the next post. Only this time I will put them in the body of the post in case you have some troubles with your mouse. This is about the last time I'm going to post this info and play your games, because if you think this isn't "scientific enough" for you, along with the other sources that I and others have provided, then I'll have to conclude it's a personal problem of yours and we can agree to disagree. These studies used controlled groups, which do provide results, despite what you may try to claim. Beyond that I encourage you to call the universities, farms, customers, and product manufacturers themselves and tell them that they're all frauds, and that you're the only one who is right. You appear to have the energy for it.
 

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The following studies are from https://oceansolution.com/results/ (which I've already posted above). And these studies do all corroborate the studies done by Dr. Murray, found here (and in his book): https://www.oceangrowncanada.com/assets/files/DrMurraysExperimentsAppendix.xls (already posted above, twice, please read all the sheets in the spreadsheet) And, FYI, this is called science-based testing - ie. "Reproducibility" / "Replication of Results".

These should all satisfy your criteria of:
Any University testing?
Any replicated results from a soil scientist instead of an MD?
Any guaranteed analysis of nutrient content?

Please read the linked files for each study.

University of California
The University of California Davis Extension Service conducted processed tomato efficacy trials in Merced County California that compared an OS stand-alone program with conventional applications that included the internationally recognized Miracle-Gro. The results show an outstanding yield of over 18% more than the yield from Miracle-Gro, in this case 31.6 tons per acre from the OS program versus 26.7 tons per acre. Additionally, the overall nutrient and pest management input costs were lowest with the OceanSolution program.

Swank Specialty Produce
Swank Specialty Produce is a hydroponic and organic farm located in Loxahatchee, FL. In 2012 testing was conducted using OceanSolution (OS) organic fertilizer on green and yellow beans. The two groups received the exact same nutritional program with the only difference being that one group had foliar applications of OS once a week. When Brix was measured, it was found that OS increased the average Brix of the yellow beans by 20% and the green beans by 27.5%.

Utopia Farms
Utopia Farms in Utopia, Florida performed a trial to test the effect of growing tomatoes using an OceanSolution stand-alone program compared with a traditional synthetic program. The results were that the OS program produced a 50% increase in tomato yield while at the same time reducing all-around input costs. In addition, the OS program resulted in a 15.8% increase in Vitamin C, a 48.6% increase in Vitamin A, and a 3% increase in BRIX (sugar content).

Valley Blue Farms
Valley Blue Farms in Cornelius, Oregon performed tests using OceanSolution on blueberries under the supervision Mon Yee Ph.D. of Cal Poly University Pomona. The test compared their standard synthetic protocol with an OS protocol combined a 50% reduction in N. BRIX, a measurement of sugar content, was the focus of the test, and the OceanSolution protocol increased BRIX by 52% in 2010 and 22% in 2011 relative to their normal synthetic program.

PAT2H
PAT2H Horticultural Research Services Inc. in Rydal, GA performed testing on marigolds and geraniums using OceanSolution products in stand alone applications compared with an industry standard 20-10-20 control. According to the lead researcher, the marigolds and geraniums grown with the OceanSolution protocols achieved the same commercial acceptability as the synthetically fertilized control group.

Rutgers University
OceanSolution (OS) was included in a Rutgers study comparing over 50 different commonly used fungicides and related inputs. In one application, OS was tank- mixed with a half rate application of a standard synthetic fungicide, and another application featured the full rate of this fungicide combined with another common synthetic fungicide. The OS treatment decreased the number of lesions of Dollar Spot by 25% and increased the judged overall quality of the grass by roughly 22% compared to this application. Further, on a scale from 1-9, turf treated with the OS program was judged to have the highest quality (7.3) of all 60 total applications at the end of the trial. This documents OS's ability to assist with disease mitigation when tank-mixed with fungicides.

Rutgers University (2)
OceanSolution (OS) was included in a Rutgers study comparing over 50 different commonly used fungicides and related inputs. In one application, OS was tank-mixed with a half rate application of a standard synthetic fungicide. Compared with the full rate of this synthetic fungicide, the OS treatment decreased the percentage infected grass by 10% and increased the judged overall quality of the grass by roughly 10% This OS application also performed acceptably well relative to a good proportion of the synthetic and natural disease-control programs in the trial. This provides further documentation of OS's ability to assist with disease mitigation when tank-mixed with synthetic and natural fungicides.

University of Missouri
In a very unique experiment, the University of Missouri sought to determine the efficacy of Roundup PowerMAX, a market-leading conventional herbicide, when used with an OceanSolution growing program during soy production. The result was that the OceanGrown program reduced the rates of common weeds such as annual grass, common waterhemp, and common ragweed 8 to 31% when combined with Roundup PowerMAX compared to Roundup PowerMAX applied alone – an indicator that the OS program can stimulate strong plant growth while improving the efficacy systemic herbicides.

Natural Health Place
The Natural Health Place conducted an experiment to determine the effect of using OceanSolution 2-0-3 on cabbage, clover, and radish sprouts. Sprouts were grown using only filtered water and were compared to sprouts grown using the same filtered water supplemented with OceanSolution 2-0-3. In all three cases, OceanSolution 2-0-3 increased yield by roughly 10%.

The University of Florida
The University of Florida is currently testing the effects of OceanSolution on limpograss used for cattle grazing. Though the overall test is not complete, an early tissue analysis of the limpograss was taken to compare the internal composition of grass treated with OS to untreated grass. OceanSolution significantly increased the quantity of 9 out of 10 essential plant elements tested.

Kennesaw State University
Kennesaw State University tested to compare the nutritional contents of produce grown both hydroponically and in soil with OceanSolution and compared the nutritional content to that of standard store-bought equivalents. Check out the results from the first round of testing below.

Planting Summer Vegetables
OceanSolution was used against a conventional fertility program on an Indiana alfalfa farm. Products were applied after cutting to 4 inches. OceanSolution doubled growth rate and raised the quality of the crop in almost every category.

Sea Minerals Reduce Dysbiosis, Improve Pasture Productivity and Plant Morphometrics in Pasture Dieback Affected Soils
Central Queensland University
(https://ideas.repec.org/a/gam/jsusta/v14y2022i22p14873-d969236.html)
"Sea mineral application significantly increased total dry matter 20 weeks after a single application, translating to an additional 967 kg/ha; this benefit was still present at 498 kg/ha eleven months post a single application. Sea mineral application improved soil microbiota by boosting beneficial taxa while reducing genera associated with arid and toxic soils. Additionally, sea mineral application increased the number of grassroots up to eleven months post a single application. Our data suggest the benefits of sea mineral application to damaged, unproductive or exhausted soils could be further explored as a natural, affordable, and non-toxic alternative to chemical fertilisers."

Natural Farming: Diluted Seawater
University Of Hawaii

https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/SA-9.pdf
"Seawater combined with other inputs stimulates the growth of beneficial microorganisms that can help to suppress disease.", among other benefits...
 
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