Glyphosate safety admission

[smitty55]

We all know the dangers of glyphosate but it now took 25 years for Monsanto to finally retract their safety evaluation. Someone needs to go to prison for a long time.

Nicolas Hulscher, MPH | Substack

Epidemiologist at the McCullough Foundation.

substack.com

 

[Meadowlark]

We all know the dangers of glyphosate ...

Apparently not all. I can show you numerous posts right here on this Forum recommending the application of pure undiluted glyphosate by hand.

Notwithstanding that it is an illegal practice: "Using glyphosate undiluted by hand is considered an off-label use and is not legally permitted under U.S. pesticide regulations."

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[MiTmite9]

It's truly disheartening how people continue to recommend roundup and other such toxins for garden (or any other) use.

Our property has been pesticide-free since 1970. The amount of wildlife is amazing. Plus it feels so good to provide a safe place for critters (including insect life) to stay healthy and thrive.

You would think with the internet people would know by now that pesticide-free is best.

 

[Meadowlark]

...You would think with the internet people would know by now that pesticide-free is best.

Yes, one would think.

 

[pepper2.0]

It's illegal here in Canada and from what I understand, UK too. I've seen tons of social media posts and videos of people who would do almost anything for some because their property is taken over by invasive plants like Japanese knot weed, pig weed, etc. For most of them, their house and property is their life investment.. so I could understand they don't care in that situation if it's herbicide free. Although I don't think it should be illegal, I do think it should be strongly regulated and only available for a licenced professional to use.

 

[Sheal]

Glyphosate is not illegal here yet @pepper2.0.

 

[pepper2.0]

Glyphosate is not illegal here yet @pepper2.0.

Really? Where you are or all of UK? I could be mistaken, but there are Brits who say it is where they are. I've no idea.

 

[pepper2.0]

I think there are a few provinces in Canada that it's legal if it's something like 7%.. but apparently that's not enough to kill a dandelion. But again, I've no idea it's all hear-say to me.

 

[Sheal]

Really? Where you are or all of UK? I could be mistaken, but there are Brits who say it is where they are. I've no idea.

Here it is for sale on Ebay. I own a can of it for my sins and use it carefully. I originally bought it because it was the only thing that would kill bracken. Having moved house I now use it on my gravel drive and stone garden walls to keep them weed free.

GALLUP BIOGRADE 360 5L VERY STRONG PROFESSIONAL GLYPHOSATE HERBICIDE Weedkiller 5390740220109 | eBay UK

Always wear protective clothing, such as Chemical Resistant Gloves, when handling Gallup Biograde. Active Ingredient360g/L glyphosate. Foliar applied total herbicide which travels down to the root of the weed.

www.ebay.co.uk

If you scroll further down it will give you more detail.

 

[Meadowlark]

I was curious @Sheal of the concentration % of that product. Couldn't find it.... but did find the claim "This professional glyphosate weedkiller is a strong product by Barclay that will actually eliminate weeds for good."

It is interesting that they call it "professional" and yet apparently sell it to anyone with money, pro or not.

Also, no way it "eliminates weeds for good"...totally false advertising.

Here the typical Consumer-grade glyphosate herbicides (like Roundup) contain 1–10% glyphosate in ready-to-use formulations, while concentrates sold to the public often range from 18–41% glyphosate before dilution.

41% is pretty standard at farm supply stores I use.

 

[Sheal]

I was curious @Sheal of the concentration % of that product. Couldn't find it.... but did find the claim "This professional glyphosate weedkiller is a strong product by Barclay that will actually eliminate weeds for good."

I think that should have been phrased differently. It does eliminate weeds for good, but regrowth from seeds or spores is not mentioned. I used it on a large area of bracken on my garden boundary because nothing else would touch it. Being systemic it killed the bracken up to 40ft away that was growing in the fields around my garden.

It is interesting that they call it "professional" and yet apparently sell it to anyone with money, pro or not.

I don't know of any stores that sell it here but it's available on both Ebay and Amazon to anyone.

 

[Sheal]

I found this on a website...

"Gallup Biograde is a professional, super concentrated, super strength weed killer containing 360 g per 1 litre of solution of Glyphosate to quickly and effectively control a weed problem."

 

[Meadowlark]

Ok, that's 36% concentration...certainly not "super strength" by standards here where 41% concentrate is routinely available to anyone with money.

Percentage Concentration (wt%) = (mass of solute / total mass of solution) × 100%
Percentage Concentration = (360 g / 1000 g) × 100% = 36%.

 

[Meadowlark]

.... Although I don't think it should be illegal, I do think it should be strongly regulated and only available for a licenced professional to use.

I think most gardeners' position aka Glyphosate has evolved since it was introduced....I know mine has. When they first said it was neutralized at soil contact, it seemed safe. But then it started showing up literally everywhere.

"Glyphosate has been found in soil, water, air, food, and even in human and animal bodies. It is one of the most widely used herbicides globally, and because of its extensive use, traces of it appear across many parts of the environment.

The U.S. Geological Survey found glyphosate in 66 of 70 U.S. streams and rivers studied, with its breakdown product (AMPA) detected even more frequently. Concentrations are highest near agricultural or developed land.

Glyphosate binds strongly to soil particles, meaning residues can persist in agricultural fields long after application. It can remain in topsoil and affect microbial communities.

Biomonitoring studies have detected glyphosate in human urine samples, showing widespread exposure."

In short, its everywhere and the claims about soil neutral are complete and utter hogwash.

Licensing is not the answer, IMO. A supposedly licensed professional on this Forum routinely and frequently recommends the hand application of undiluted glyphosate which is illegal in the USA.

No, licensing probably makes the problem worse. People will abuse whether licensed or not and license simply abets it.

The horse appears to be out of the barn. Sadly, I'm not sure that anything can be done now. All I can do is object to those who recommend illegal applications here.

 

[cpp gardener]

According to the label (the label is the law) 41% glyphosate may be applied undiluted to a freshly cut stump to prevent resprouting.