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So we bought 6 trays of those little seed starters and everyone sprouted in a timely manner and for a couple days after they thrived then very suddenly I lost the sunflowers and a week later not a single herb lived. the corn is apparently a nonconformist because theyve done been translated and are thriving. i followed the directions for watering, the cover, and sunshine so I dont know what happened.
 
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So we bought 6 trays of those little seed starters and everyone sprouted in a timely manner and for a couple days after they thrived then very suddenly I lost the sunflowers and a week later not a single herb lived. the corn is apparently a nonconformist because theyve done been translated and are thriving. i followed the directions for watering, the cover, and sunshine so I dont know what happened.
Did you purchance fertilize them?
 
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no the directions didn't say it needed it and Idont see how I could have. heres a pic
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no the directions didn't say it needed it and Idont see how I could have. heres a pic
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It is good that you didn't fertilize the baby seedlings. Fertilizing very young seedlings before they have grown at least their first set of true leaves leads to what is called damping off. There are also other reasons for damping off such as rapid temperature change and too much water. Your plants in the pic from what I can see look OK except for being too close together. This isn't your fault but personally I do not like those peatmoss filled seed starter dodahs for a number of reasons which I will save for a later day
 
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well if you don't mind I'd like to be educated on why you don't like them. on many of the sprouts like the corn and sunflowers, they outgrew the pods, the roots stuck out. i think maybe my herbs died from too much water.
I would just get live plants but the couple nurseries I've been able to hit up dont sell the herbs I want. ive been trying to find local herbalists/gardeners that have any, that's how I found this site, but I've been unsuccessful so far
 
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well if you don't mind I'd like to be educated on why you don't like them. on many of the sprouts like the corn and sunflowers, they outgrew the pods, the roots stuck out. i think maybe my herbs died from too much water.
I would just get live plants but the couple nurseries I've been able to hit up dont sell the herbs I want. ive been trying to find local herbalists/gardeners that have any, that's how I found this site, but I've been unsuccessful so far
I will try to explain tomorrow AM
 
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well if you don't mind I'd like to be educated on why you don't like them. on many of the sprouts like the corn and sunflowers, they outgrew the pods, the roots stuck out. i think maybe my herbs died from too much water.
I would just get live plants but the couple nurseries I've been able to hit up dont sell the herbs I want. ive been trying to find local herbalists/gardeners that have any, that's how I found this site, but I've been unsuccessful so far
In my opinion the seed starter kits only redeeming quality is their ease of use. They are made of peat, are acidic and lack the much needed micro nutrients important to rapidly growing seedlings. They retard root growth as you have seen in your corn and sunflowers. Imagine how much more those roots would have grown if they weren't restricted.. They are supposed to rapidly deteriorate but I have dug them up a year later still in one piece. The kind you have with the little bag aren't quite as bad but still leave a lot to be desired. Also, in my experience with them I suffer a much higher percentage of damping off. Why? I'm not sure but I think it is related to the manufacturing process of the kits. There has to be some sort of liquid involved to shape the pellets, the pots or whatever shape the kits come in. I suspect it involves liquid chemical fertilizers but that is just a guess. If you really want to grow you herbs and many other vegetables from seeds here is how I do it. For herbs; Obtain from your nursery some of those shallow 4 pack or 6 pack containers that plants come in. Get a seed tray that does NOT have holes in the bottom. Get a bag of premium potting soil and a bag of premium compost. Make a 50/50 mix and put it in the plant containers until almost full. Put the plant containers into the seed tray and water slowly and thourghly until the water comes out of the bottom of the plant containers and is completely soaked. Sprinkle about 6 of the tiny herb seeds into each of the 6 pack containers and GENTLY press the seeds into the soil. Then get a very very small amount of the dry mix and lightly sprinkle it on the seeds. The moisture will wick up and wet the soil that has barely covered the herb seeds. Put them in a warm place with ventilation. About twice a day until they sprout and have been up 4-6 days spray a little water on them to keep the top 1/4"-1/2" slightly damp. After they have been up about a week stick your little finger into the opening at the bottom of the container. I will probably feel dry. If it does then put about 1" of water into the seed tray and water the 6 packs from the bottom up until the top is wet. Pour out any water remaining in the tray Do not fertilize until you can see the second set of true leaves forming and then only lightly. This method works well with herbs, cucumbers, squash, mellons etc I do tomatos, peppers, eggplant a little different. Remember, you can't water too much but you can surely water too often.
 
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wow thanks chuck, next check ill be trying it your way. newbs that we are, we sunk a lot of capital into those
 
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wow thanks chuck, next check ill be trying it your way. newbs that we are, we sunk a lot of capital into those
Some of the stuff you can probably get for free such as the 6 packs and starter trays from your local nursery. I don't know how many plants you intend to start but I can't imagine spending more than $20. Let me know what all you intend to plant'. I have forgotten where you are located
 
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Im in Virginia and I want lemon balm, lavender, calendula, and chamomile. I want to buy already sprouted plants but the local nurseries don't have much selection of medicinal herbs and since I want to use them for essential oils and skin products I need everything nongmo and organic. The dog is fighting for the yard back so what we did have growing hes trampled or eaten. If im going to put any more money into this im just going to do them in planters @[email protected] I definitely hope to score those packs and as for trays I kept the ones those peat things came in. flat plastic trays with no holes
 
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Im in Virginia and I want lemon balm, lavender, calendula, and chamomile. I want to buy already sprouted plants but the local nurseries don't have much selection of medicinal herbs and since I want to use them for essential oils and skin products I need everything nongmo and organic. The dog is fighting for the yard back so what we did have growing hes trampled or eaten. If im going to put any more money into this im just going to do them in planters @[email protected] I definitely hope to score those packs and as for trays I kept the ones those peat things came in. flat plastic trays with no holes
For herbs, container gardening is great. You will also find the seeds you want online. I agree about about GMO's but we may disagree about organic seeds. The effect of non-organic seeds over organic is miniscule and one never knows how organic the seeds really are or how old they are no matter what the producer says. The only sure fire way is to grow your own.
 
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My little window herb garden was a total bust. I think sometimes the seeds and such just aren't any good, I suppose. Plus, I think it takes a bit of practice to learn about how to water them correctly and stuff like that. I wish you luck with your next planting project, though!
 
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My little window herb garden was a total bust. I think sometimes the seeds and such just aren't any good, I suppose. Plus, I think it takes a bit of practice to learn about how to water them correctly and stuff like that. I wish you luck with your next planting project, though!
In my experience the biggest failure in growing plants with little tiny seeds is that they are planted too deep. Once they have germinated the old squirt bottle 2 or 3 times a day works miracles. Like lettuce for instance. You don't bury them at all, just firmly press them into the damp soil
 
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all my seeds sprouted quickly, it was such a tease...chuck, I just remembered, on my lavender the stems were green but right at soil level the rest of it and the roots were brown then the whole thing shriveled up. would you say too much water? I was spraying with the bottle once a day
 
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all my seeds sprouted quickly, it was such a tease...chuck, I just remembered, on my lavender the stems were green but right at soil level the rest of it and the roots were brown then the whole thing shriveled up. would you say too much water? I was spraying with the bottle once a day
A classic example of damping off and I suspect there was fertilizer involved. Remember that you can't over water a plant but you can water too often. The roots of plants are just like our lungs, they need air, otherwise they will basically drown and/or rot. I suspect also that you showed those little seedlings too much love
 
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haha ill try to be tougher on the next batch. I sowed the rest of my seeds strait into the beds so I can concentrate on the container plants and ive got alot of sprouts. im not gonna put too much effort into those, if they make it great
 
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question: if I'm going to keep them in containers why can't iseed directly into intended pot?
 
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question: if I'm going to keep them in containers why can't iseed directly into intended pot?
You can , but it is easier to maintain the proper moisture for seedlings in a small container than a big pot.
 
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that makes sense, especially the way you suggested which I will be trying. thanks for all your advice
 
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that makes sense, especially the way you suggested which I will be trying. thanks for all your advice
I don't grow herbs until I am about to run out of them. I don't do medicinal stuff only the basic cooking herbs. I only grow a bunch of them at one time. I usually grow them in 2 gallon pots and when I plant the seeds I will spread an entire packet of seeds into one pot that is filled with a 50/50 mix which is saturated with water. I then cover the pot with cellophane and make a minature greenhouse and poke a few holes in it. If I am lucky maybe 20% will germinate but there are a bunch of seeds in a packet which are cheap. I actually have to thin them out. The reason I gave you the previous advise is that I think you want to learn the basics and the way I do it takes a watchful eye.
 

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