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Ah.. I see. So this person on eBay probably did save the seeds from a Micro Tom, and the two plants I have did not come true to type, and could possibly be one of the parents to the Micro Tom? Interesting! I didn't know Micro-Tom was old. I will save the seeds from this plant and see if it comes true. I received my other Micro-Toms from Baker Creek the other day; I had re-ordered them after seeing these other plants were incorrect.
 
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Ah.. I see. So this person on eBay probably did save the seeds from a Micro Tom, and the two plants I have did not come true to type, and could possibly be one of the parents to the Micro Tom? Interesting! I didn't know Micro-Tom was old. I will save the seeds from this plant and see if it comes true. I received my other Micro-Toms from Baker Creek the other day; I had re-ordered them after seeing these other plants were incorrect.
Micro Toms come true, they are stable. Unlike say a Celebrity which has been around many years too. If the MT seeds did not come true they are not MT seeds. Save the seeds. It will come true. Someone just sent you the wrong seeds.
 
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Which is why I prefer heirlooms. I like to save the seeds and save money rather then re-purchasing the hybrid types. Hybrid seed ain't cheap! :wtf:
 
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Think I could research Micro-Tom somehow to find out what it's parents were?
I doubt it. MT are probably patented and even if not where would you begin to look. All heirlooms were at one time a hybrid.
 
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I would love to be ableto create myown personal heirloom tomato! I know it would take time: cross-breeding and saving seeds out from many generations of the plants showing the characterists I bred it to be: interesting color, foilage, disease resistant, heat and other weather tolerance.
 
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I never see gardening as a 'science'. Just a pleasure, a blessing and a passion. Some of the oddly colored tomato varieties I own were bred by someone. I hope to try it someday.
 
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I never see gardening as a 'science'. Just a pleasure, a blessing and a passion. Some of the oddly colored tomato varieties I own were bred by someone. I hope to try it someday.
They bred them using science. There is no reason why science can't be a pleasure and a passion. As there is no god, I'm afraid it can't be a blessing; that implies remote control.
 
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There is so God! And gardening is to a great blessing!! Sure, science can be certain people's pleasures/passions, but gardening is NOT learned through facts, figures and scientific gobbledy-goop! There are experimentations within gardening, but it is still learned through experience, reading many many gardening books like I do, and having good old gardeners like Chuck to help guide you if you get stumped.
 
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I doubt it. MT are probably patented and even if not where would you begin to look. All heirlooms were at one time a hybrid.
Chuck, if I were to breed my own tomato for the first time, I'd want to shoot for color oddity, so when I began saving seeds from generations down, I can easily go for ones who's fruits are showing the color I bred it to be. Let's say I bred a black with a yellow tomato. I'd continually save out seeds from only the fruits with yellow/black bi-coloring. Ok, now, when I first rubbed the pollen of at least several blossoms of a black tomato onto a yellow tomato blossom, would the tomato that is produced on the yellow plant already show the discoloration?
 
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Chuck, if I were to breed my own tomato for the first time, I'd want to shoot for color oddity, so when I began saving seeds from generations down, I can easily go for ones who's fruits are showing the color I bred it to be. Let's say I bred a black with a yellow tomato. I'd continually save out seeds from only the fruits with yellow/black bi-coloring. Ok, now, when I first rubbed the pollen of at least several blossoms of a black tomato onto a yellow tomato blossom, would the tomato that is produced on the yellow plant already show the discoloration?
I am not familiar with or qualified enough to even talk about breeding tomatoes. Its way above my pay grade. But I do know that one doesn't just randomly breed plants. One important thing is that it has to be replicable, time and time again.
 
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Oh, you mean breed tomato types that are similar like fruit types, disease resistances, weather tolerances?
 
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Oh, you mean breed tomato types that are similar like fruit types, disease resistances, weather tolerances?
Disease resistance is very important and so is the temperature the fruit will set at. I don't know much about it but I do know that random cross pollination just ain't gonna work. Believe it or not there is a lot of science involved.
 
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I don't see gardening as a science. But I would still like to try crossbreeding. Somebody started it sometime! If it fails, it fails. Try, try again, and hope for the best! :)
 
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I don't see gardening as a science. But I would still like to try crossbreeding. Somebody started it sometime! If it fails, it fails. Try, try again, and hope for the best! :)
Well, just remember that if you cross pollinate tomatoes that the tomato you get this year won't be a cross but the seeds out of this years tomato will be next years cross. I have a hard enough time getting things to grow this year without worrying about next year.
 
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Oh yes. Just pray hard that your plants will do good for you! I want to thank-you for all the advice you have given me-especially that on switching to organic. Furthermore I wish to say that I'm sure you're seeing that headfullofbees and I dislike each other. I think he's going to dislike me more-so now because I'm declaring my belief in God. If he wants to hate me for that, let him go ahead. It is written. I am a Christian. We Christians will be hated. But no matter who hates for me for my Christianity, God loves me.
 
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Why would you want to create hybrids when you state you only want to use heirlooms?
I don't dislike you; I am merely correcting you where you are wrong.
Yesterday, at 4.43pm BST, Becky posted that there was to be no more talk of religion on here.
Last night, at 10.50pm BST, you posted again about god and religion.
I have no intention of going against Becky's wishes by answering such nonsense, but I find religion, ALL RELIGION, deeply offensive because of the harm it has done over the centuries, including delaying science which has affected my wife.
In such circumstances, I must warn you, and any others on the forum, that I intend to report any further posts which mention deities or religious beliefs, and I hope and expect they'll be acted upon by the management.
 
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As for your hatred for Christianity-just me say this. I am sorry for you, and will pray for you. As for my attempt for creating a hybrid, I intend to dehybridize my creation into a stable, open pollinated variety if possible. Chuck said all heirlooms were once hybrids. So someone started somewhere.
 
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I've removed the last couple of posts, as it was going waaaaaaaaaay off-topic for a gardening forum. Let's avoid the religious talk and stick the gardening!
 

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